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U · 2007-02-23, 01:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by james99

Sony should just give up the fight so the war ends before Sony shareholders and execs start a public outcry.

Usually that's something you do when you are actually losing...

james99 · 2007-02-23, 01:46 PM

I agree.

Let's look at the numbers. The BD group is bragging that they have 5 times the base in terms of hardware. Instead of having 5x the number of s/w sales, they are basically even.

Considering the recent release of the PS3 and huge amount of new titles a TIE in software sales is basically a defeat.

WB and Universal titles for '07 haven't arrived yet in any great volume for HD DVD. Once that happens, who knows.

The year is young, many things can change.

calvin940 · 2007-02-23, 02:23 PM

Why is it that HD DVD proponents can use the full sales figures for PS3 and other players as a stat when trying to make a point about how the sales don't matchup, but if someone making a point about PS3 and BD sales brings it up, all HD DVD proponents start singing the attach rate song? I am really tired of this (and again I don't care who wins). You cannot have it both ways. Either quote attached rate whenever you talk about hardware to software sales for BD or don't ever use the argument.

Cal

candrusiak · 2007-02-23, 03:19 PM

Personally I hope the war never ends. Listening to you guys argue over luxury items like these is hilarious.

james99 · 2007-02-23, 03:33 PM

You hit it on the head. It's a luxury item now.

The war won't be won until it's a mainstream item.

d2e8b8 · 2007-02-23, 04:36 PM

So what does it take to become a mainstream item? Low cost - is that it? I can't see PQ being a factor for J6P.
Personally, I don't see HD becoming mainstream anytime soon. Sorry about the lack of optimism but the other night I was at a gathering and only 1 (out of about 11 guys) was even aware of HD format (let alone the war).

JohnnyG · 2007-02-23, 04:41 PM

Buying an "HDTV" in the first place isn't about PQ for way too many people...it's about the "buzz" and keeping up with the Jones's. So it will be with hi-def DVD. There will come a time when people are buying it not even knowing what it is...they'll stick their regular DVD in it and marvel at the incredible picture quality.

And sadly, I'm not kidding either.

Boduho · 2007-02-23, 04:48 PM

Basically even James? How is a 2 -1 sales lead basically even? How is a 2-1 sales lead gained after only 3 full months of the PS3 being released even?

And what Universal titles are you referring to that are going to turn the tide? Give me release dates on titles that I need to buy I'll get the 360 add-on today. As for Warner, nothing they release is going to turn the tide in HD-DVD's favour unless they don't release it on BD. How does a total HD release help HD-DVD in the least?

mfabien · 2007-02-23, 05:36 PM

Who cares about the war...

...when I can use my HD-A1 as a sensational audio source?

This afternoon, I was viewing and listening to La Traviata, just received today, with beautiful and talented Anna Netrebko as Violetta.

It's a standard DVD but the DTS sound track over 5.1 multichannel analogs is simply outstanding.

I recently recorded Bellini's "I Puritani" (Great Performance at PBSHD) with Anna in the leading role:

http://www.operainfo.org/broadcast/o...00000000000111

And that is a keeper (great to have an external drive for extra capacity).

Early next week, I'm receiving Puccini's La Bohème, another great opera.

So, frankly, I'm not in a hurry for Universal to release more HD DVD's. And I just increased my membership at Zip.ca from 2 to 5 HD DVD's per month.

U · 2007-02-23, 09:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by calvin940

Why is it that HD DVD proponents can use the full sales figures for PS3 and other players as a stat when trying to make a point about how the sales don't matchup, but if someone making a point about PS3 and BD sales brings it up, all HD DVD proponents start singing the attach rate song?

In desperate times come desperate measures...

U · 2007-02-23, 09:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by james99

You hit it on the head. It's a luxury item now.

The war won't be won until it's a mainstream item.

And that's exactly what the PS3 will be doing in time. The HD-DVD camp realized this, maybe too late, hence why there are rumors of cheap Chinese players coming out. Without studio support though it may be in vain.

diogen · 2007-02-24, 12:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JohnnyG

...they'll stick their regular DVD in it and marvel at the incredible picture quality.

It would be funny if it wouldn't be so true...

Diogen.

calvin940 · 2007-02-28, 11:14 AM

About that cheap chinese Funai player cost.. looks like Sony announced their $600 BDP-S300. I suspect this will mean a further reduction in cost for the Funai player given the overall price scale ratios. But it would have to be significant to beat the PS3 value pricing.

Cal

os · 2007-02-28, 05:54 PM

It's not about players, it's about content. A HD-DVD player can be bought for $200 (for PC or XBox360) and a BR writer (for PC) is already at $600.
However, I selected the movies with an average rating of at least 6.0 at Rotten Tomatoes that I want to see (best movies of 2006) and here are my results:
Total: 39 movies
no HD release -> 11 movies
HD-DVD release -> 16 movies (HD-DVD exclusive: 6)
Blu-Ray release -> 21 movies (Blu-Ray exclusive: 10).
So I 'd say BR has a clear content advantage at this moment, but one would still need both to get all releases in HD.

calvin940 · 2007-03-01, 09:21 AM

yes, I know content is king, but with numbers as close and the crazy pricing of BD players currently, it's a tough pill to swallow. BD would need some serious cost cutting in their devices to make them competative with HD DVD. And let's face it, the title discrepency is not that large.

Cal

2007-02-23, 03:19 PM	#94
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2007-02-23, 05:36 PM	#99
mfabien Veteran Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Montreal Posts: 2,207	Who cares about the war... ...when I can use my HD-A1 as a sensational audio source? This afternoon, I was viewing and listening to La Traviata, just received today, with beautiful and talented Anna Netrebko as Violetta. It's a standard DVD but the DTS sound track over 5.1 multichannel analogs is simply outstanding. I recently recorded Bellini's "I Puritani" (Great Performance at PBSHD) with Anna in the leading role: http://www.operainfo.org/broadcast/o...00000000000111 And that is a keeper (great to have an external drive for extra capacity). Early next week, I'm receiving Puccini's La Bohème, another great opera. So, frankly, I'm not in a hurry for Universal to release more HD DVD's. And I just increased my membership at Zip.ca from 2 to 5 HD DVD's per month. __________________ Samsung LN52B750, SVS PB12-ISD, Harmony One, HD-A1, BDP-1400, Oppo DV-970HD, Zektor HDS4.1

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2007-02-23, 01:46 PM	#92
james99 Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Burlington Posts: 24,791	I agree. Let's look at the numbers. The BD group is bragging that they have 5 times the base in terms of hardware. Instead of having 5x the number of s/w sales, they are basically even. Considering the recent release of the PS3 and huge amount of new titles a TIE in software sales is basically a defeat. WB and Universal titles for '07 haven't arrived yet in any great volume for HD DVD. Once that happens, who knows. The year is young, many things can change.

2007-02-23, 02:23 PM	#93
calvin940 Veteran Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Halifax, Nova Scotia Posts: 1,600	Why is it that HD DVD proponents can use the full sales figures for PS3 and other players as a stat when trying to make a point about how the sales don't matchup, but if someone making a point about PS3 and BD sales brings it up, all HD DVD proponents start singing the attach rate song? I am really tired of this (and again I don't care who wins). You cannot have it both ways. Either quote attached rate whenever you talk about hardware to software sales for BD or don't ever use the argument. Cal

2007-02-23, 03:33 PM	#95
james99 Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Burlington Posts: 24,791	You hit it on the head. It's a luxury item now. The war won't be won until it's a mainstream item.

2007-02-23, 04:36 PM	#96
d2e8b8 Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Mississauga Posts: 478	So what does it take to become a mainstream item? Low cost - is that it? I can't see PQ being a factor for J6P. Personally, I don't see HD becoming mainstream anytime soon. Sorry about the lack of optimism but the other night I was at a gathering and only 1 (out of about 11 guys) was even aware of HD format (let alone the war).

2007-02-23, 04:41 PM	#97
JohnnyG Veteran Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: North York, Ontario Posts: 10,407	Buying an "HDTV" in the first place isn't about PQ for way too many people...it's about the "buzz" and keeping up with the Jones's. So it will be with hi-def DVD. There will come a time when people are buying it not even knowing what it is...they'll stick their regular DVD in it and marvel at the incredible picture quality. And sadly, I'm not kidding either.

2007-02-23, 04:48 PM	#98
Boduho Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Nepean, Ontario Posts: 257	Basically even James? How is a 2 -1 sales lead basically even? How is a 2-1 sales lead gained after only 3 full months of the PS3 being released even? And what Universal titles are you referring to that are going to turn the tide? Give me release dates on titles that I need to buy I'll get the 360 add-on today. As for Warner, nothing they release is going to turn the tide in HD-DVD's favour unless they don't release it on BD. How does a total HD release help HD-DVD in the least?

2007-02-28, 11:14 AM	#103
calvin940 Veteran Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Halifax, Nova Scotia Posts: 1,600	About that cheap chinese Funai player cost.. looks like Sony announced their $600 BDP-S300. I suspect this will mean a further reduction in cost for the Funai player given the overall price scale ratios. But it would have to be significant to beat the PS3 value pricing. Cal

2007-02-28, 05:54 PM	#104
os Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Vancouver, BC Posts: 1,056	It's not about players, it's about content. A HD-DVD player can be bought for $200 (for PC or XBox360) and a BR writer (for PC) is already at $600. However, I selected the movies with an average rating of at least 6.0 at Rotten Tomatoes that I want to see (best movies of 2006) and here are my results: Total: 39 movies no HD release -> 11 movies HD-DVD release -> 16 movies (HD-DVD exclusive: 6) Blu-Ray release -> 21 movies (Blu-Ray exclusive: 10). So I 'd say BR has a clear content advantage at this moment, but one would still need both to get all releases in HD.

2007-03-01, 09:21 AM	#105
calvin940 Veteran Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Halifax, Nova Scotia Posts: 1,600	yes, I know content is king, but with numbers as close and the crazy pricing of BD players currently, it's a tough pill to swallow. BD would need some serious cost cutting in their devices to make them competative with HD DVD. And let's face it, the title discrepency is not that large. Cal