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Hybrid · 2012-06-18, 10:05 AM

http://www.sunnewsnetwork.ca/video/s.../1689985067001

Pretty much, Sun News was issued to make an apology to saying some Spanish swear on air at 5PM, and they refused. So there's this whole war waging now between Sun News and the CBSC...

The VP of Global came onto a show and got into a debate with Ezra Levant. It's just so insane, haha.

I hope the CBSC ends up being disbanded. I want the CRTC gone too.

Ppaatt · 2012-06-19, 12:03 AM

Levant made a classless, tasteless comment. That kind of comment gives free speech a bad name. I'm glad someone called him on it.

Krydor · 2012-06-19, 09:39 AM

The CBSC is a voluntary organization. Sun can leave any time it wants. Just so we are crystal clear on the nature of the CBSC, it is not a government organization and they have no power to censor anything.

They want the benefits of belonging to an advocacy group, but not the corresponding oversight. Let's put it this way, if the CBSC was disbanded (which it will not be, as the benefits of being a member far outstrip the imagined negative impact), then the CRTC gives them a way more restrictive license.

This isn't a free speech issue. This is Sun belonging to an organization and refusing to abide by the charter. For whatever reason, these theatrics work on their core viewership. If Ezra was using the "8 words you can't say on TV" during primetime, the first batch of people who would lose their minds are Sun's core audience.

cm3020prob · 2012-06-19, 10:03 AM

The CBSC gives a way for the public to report everything wrong on television and radio. Without it, they can report to the braodcaster and get a cold pre-configured reply. There should be someplace you can complain and someone to do something about it.

Television have many regulations: no blood before 9pm, no sex before midnight. Levant have a point: you can go on the internet and have easy access to tons of blood, sex and profany material. You can also PVR some late night shows and watch them in the afternoon. But does it makes it OK for, let's say, CTV to schedule an uncensored episode of "True Blood" at 4pm, when students are coming back from school ? No.

The CBSC aren't saints either. They decided to ban the song "Dire Straits - Money for Nothing" from the radio airwaves, but reversed it under pressure. Language is always questionnable, and it takes the CBSC to bring some challenges.

These days, they're on CFNY-FM's case concerning a flood of different complains about the Dean Blundell Show, which goes borderline on the acceptable. But should you be listening to his show in your car, with your kids inside, listening to weird subjects? Yeah, well, you should change the station or bring CDs. It's just torture to keep listening to it and file a complain every day.

Anyways, it's a necessary evil. Parents should decide whether or not they should let their kids watch this or that TV show. To help them out, all should must be rated (G, PG-13, 16, 18+, violence, sex, language), displayed at the beginning of the show and after all commercial breaks, there's the V-chip, the rating also comes with the show description on your cable/satellite receiver where you can set parental controls. There are also parental controls on a computer. But freedom of speech also works well. Youtube isn't disabling violent videos during the day, and porn websites aren't shutting down during daytime either.

davidelliott · 2012-06-19, 11:23 AM

It helps to remember that the internet is a private connection between a source and the end-user while the Sun News is an OTA signal in some places and a relayed signal in the rest of the country.

It also helps to remember that Levant likes to mischaracterise people and situations--exactly what Charles McVety of Canada Christian College did--and such wrongful name-calling and hurtful descriptions have no place in the forum of reasoned discussion.

The Toronto Sun is no longer a member of the Ontario Press Council and I should imagine that all the Sun newspapers and QMI as a body corporate do not belong to any regulating or governing body that upholds standards among its members.

The CBSC may not be saints and the situation with a hit song is a sad situation that fell into its lap. But if one looks at the broadcast standards in Canada and compares them to the USA and its regulatory bodies, we come out streets ahead.

Sun news will always be an outsider because that's where they place themselves. When you pander you lower yourself to the target audience. Sun news' ratings demonstrate that.

tandem · 2012-06-19, 01:42 PM

I continue to be amazed that Sun "News" remains on the air.

MCIBUS · 2012-06-19, 04:16 PM

Although I didn't hear the comment made by this individual, the part of free speech is well and dow, but when does Free Speech turn from Free Speech to Discriminating and Hate Speech?

Like I said I didn't hear what he said so I can;t comment on that part.

As fort Sun News I don't watch it, but at the same time I don't think it should be taken off the air.

They have the right to comment on "Right wing" agendas, just like other media have the right to comment on "left wing" agendas.

Which ever the case if you don't like it just don't tune the channel.

But here's the catch if your against left or right winged media why are you watching the channel, it seems those that are against such things tend to watch that certain channel?

tvlurker · 2012-06-19, 04:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by davidelliott

It helps to remember that the internet is a private connection between a source and the end-user while the Sun News is an OTA signal in some places and a relayed signal in the rest of the country.

Sun News is no longer OTA anywhere in the country. Sun TV voluntarily returned its OTA licenses to the CRTC last Fall.

cm3020prob · 2012-06-19, 05:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by davidelliott

the Sun News is an OTA signal in some places and a relayed signal in the rest of the country.

The OTA transmitter (CKXT-DT) have been turned off on November 1, 2011.

It is now digital only, except in Gatineau/Rockland on Vidéotron where it's still on analog channel 9.

Krydor · 2012-06-19, 10:25 PM

I really and truly think what's being missed, and this is happening on Sun's Facebook page as well, is that CBSC is independent of the CRTC and Sun News is a part of the CBSC. When they joined, they did so to get the perks one gets when one is part of a large advocacy group in exchange for adherence to the code of ethics.

Ezra Levant can continue to swear during primetime hours in whatever language he wants. However, if Sun is a part of the CBSC or not, there will be sanctions for doing so. There are no special conditions to their license with allows them to circumvent agreed upon broadcast standards.

I wish, oh how I wish, that people who like Sun weren't being so trusting of the slant Sun is putting on this fracas.

2012-06-18, 10:05 AM	#1
Hybrid Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 8	Sun News Network vs. CBSC http://www.sunnewsnetwork.ca/video/s.../1689985067001 Pretty much, Sun News was issued to make an apology to saying some Spanish swear on air at 5PM, and they refused. So there's this whole war waging now between Sun News and the CBSC... The VP of Global came onto a show and got into a debate with Ezra Levant. It's just so insane, haha. I hope the CBSC ends up being disbanded. I want the CRTC gone too.

2012-06-19, 10:03 AM	#4
cm3020prob Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Montreal, QC Posts: 277	The CBSC gives a way for the public to report everything wrong on television and radio. Without it, they can report to the braodcaster and get a cold pre-configured reply. There should be someplace you can complain and someone to do something about it. Television have many regulations: no blood before 9pm, no sex before midnight. Levant have a point: you can go on the internet and have easy access to tons of blood, sex and profany material. You can also PVR some late night shows and watch them in the afternoon. But does it makes it OK for, let's say, CTV to schedule an uncensored episode of "True Blood" at 4pm, when students are coming back from school ? No. The CBSC aren't saints either. They decided to ban the song "Dire Straits - Money for Nothing" from the radio airwaves, but reversed it under pressure. Language is always questionnable, and it takes the CBSC to bring some challenges. These days, they're on CFNY-FM's case concerning a flood of different complains about the Dean Blundell Show, which goes borderline on the acceptable. But should you be listening to his show in your car, with your kids inside, listening to weird subjects? Yeah, well, you should change the station or bring CDs. It's just torture to keep listening to it and file a complain every day. Anyways, it's a necessary evil. Parents should decide whether or not they should let their kids watch this or that TV show. To help them out, all should must be rated (G, PG-13, 16, 18+, violence, sex, language), displayed at the beginning of the show and after all commercial breaks, there's the V-chip, the rating also comes with the show description on your cable/satellite receiver where you can set parental controls. There are also parental controls on a computer. But freedom of speech also works well. Youtube isn't disabling violent videos during the day, and porn websites aren't shutting down during daytime either. __________________ CM-3020 with CM-7777

2012-06-19, 11:23 AM	#5
davidelliott Rookie Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 14	Levant CBSC It helps to remember that the internet is a private connection between a source and the end-user while the Sun News is an OTA signal in some places and a relayed signal in the rest of the country. It also helps to remember that Levant likes to mischaracterise people and situations--exactly what Charles McVety of Canada Christian College did--and such wrongful name-calling and hurtful descriptions have no place in the forum of reasoned discussion. The Toronto Sun is no longer a member of the Ontario Press Council and I should imagine that all the Sun newspapers and QMI as a body corporate do not belong to any regulating or governing body that upholds standards among its members. The CBSC may not be saints and the situation with a hit song is a sad situation that fell into its lap. But if one looks at the broadcast standards in Canada and compares them to the USA and its regulatory bodies, we come out streets ahead. Sun news will always be an outsider because that's where they place themselves. When you pander you lower yourself to the target audience. Sun news' ratings demonstrate that.

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2012-06-19, 12:03 AM	#2
Ppaatt Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 164	Levant made a classless, tasteless comment. That kind of comment gives free speech a bad name. I'm glad someone called him on it.

2012-06-19, 09:39 AM	#3
Krydor Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: SK Posts: 448	The CBSC is a voluntary organization. Sun can leave any time it wants. Just so we are crystal clear on the nature of the CBSC, it is not a government organization and they have no power to censor anything. They want the benefits of belonging to an advocacy group, but not the corresponding oversight. Let's put it this way, if the CBSC was disbanded (which it will not be, as the benefits of being a member far outstrip the imagined negative impact), then the CRTC gives them a way more restrictive license. This isn't a free speech issue. This is Sun belonging to an organization and refusing to abide by the charter. For whatever reason, these theatrics work on their core viewership. If Ezra was using the "8 words you can't say on TV" during primetime, the first batch of people who would lose their minds are Sun's core audience.

2012-06-19, 01:42 PM	#6
tandem Join Date: May 2012 Location: Vancouver Posts: 101	I continue to be amazed that Sun "News" remains on the air.

2012-06-19, 04:16 PM	#7
MCIBUS Veteran Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Ottawa Posts: 2,099	Although I didn't hear the comment made by this individual, the part of free speech is well and dow, but when does Free Speech turn from Free Speech to Discriminating and Hate Speech? Like I said I didn't hear what he said so I can;t comment on that part. As fort Sun News I don't watch it, but at the same time I don't think it should be taken off the air. They have the right to comment on "Right wing" agendas, just like other media have the right to comment on "left wing" agendas. Which ever the case if you don't like it just don't tune the channel. But here's the catch if your against left or right winged media why are you watching the channel, it seems those that are against such things tend to watch that certain channel?

2012-06-19, 10:25 PM	#10
Krydor Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: SK Posts: 448	I really and truly think what's being missed, and this is happening on Sun's Facebook page as well, is that CBSC is independent of the CRTC and Sun News is a part of the CBSC. When they joined, they did so to get the perks one gets when one is part of a large advocacy group in exchange for adherence to the code of ethics. Ezra Levant can continue to swear during primetime hours in whatever language he wants. However, if Sun is a part of the CBSC or not, there will be sanctions for doing so. There are no special conditions to their license with allows them to circumvent agreed upon broadcast standards. I wish, oh how I wish, that people who like Sun weren't being so trusting of the slant Sun is putting on this fracas.