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insider22 · 2011-12-27, 10:11 AM

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Crtc has nothing to do with antenna regulation. This is the role of Industry Canada and a exclusive federal juridiction. Municipal power try to block cell phone antenna tower all the times, but they always loses.

The same apply to TV antenna, but who would go to court for that ?

JamesK · 2011-12-28, 08:02 AM

IC also has nothing to do with this, as you agree to the condo by-laws when you buy. The options are either change the by-laws or get the feds to pass a law over-riding the condo by-laws.

insider22 · 2011-12-28, 02:56 PM

I was talking about municipal rules not the condo situation.

But I think the case of the condo could be in in court because a private
contract between to parties cannot include clauses that are not valid according
to another law.

DrSat · 2012-01-02, 11:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 57

The (first line) CSR may have been thinking about encrypted FTA...

There is NO such thing as "encrypted FTA" since FTA represents the reception of UNENCRYPTED satellite signals as we discuss in the Free To Air forum on this site. You probably were referring to satellite piracy which many pirates use FTA as a euphemism to avoid admitting their are doing something illegal.

paulo500 · 2012-02-24, 12:27 PM

Bit of an old thread, but google sent me here.

Im trying to find an answer to why stations broadcast their signal to "us" for free? Why don't they just use cable/satellite? Wouldn't it be cheaper and less towers/power being pushed around?

Whenever I talk to ppl about ota, that's usually the first thing they ask me, and i never have an answer.

57 · 2012-02-24, 12:32 PM

Because all TV used to be OTA and if they didn't "broadcast" they'd lose 10-20-30% of their market depending on the location. There would also be an outcry if people were forced to subscribe to cable/satellite - some don't have access, others can't afford it, etc.

Chasseur · 2012-02-24, 12:37 PM

Because generalist tv stations are supposed to be free. Their CRTC license force them to do so.

Not everybody have the $$$ to pay cable companies. General tv channels are supposed to be free, like 30 years ago.

dsspredator · 2012-02-24, 03:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chasseur

General tv channels are supposed to be free, like 30 years ago.

And some 50+ years.

If we did not have local TV there would only be one CTV or CBC feed for all of Canada.

JamesK · 2012-02-24, 05:19 PM

^^^^
Actually, it's closer to 60 years. IIRC, the CBC started broadcasting TV in 1952 and before that, those in border areas could receive U.S. stations. For example, WBEN, Buffalo could be received in the Toronto area from May 1948. Broadcast TV in the U.S. started before WW2 or more than 70 years ago.

Wayne · 2012-05-03, 09:02 PM

The by-laws would be quite different for each municipality. The Toronto by-law is here http://www.toronto.ca/legdocs/bylaws...6-volume-1.pdf. If you search for antenna you will find several hits pertaining to height, (an antenna may exceed the max height by a max of 5m) and also pertaining to rear year and side yard setbacks, etc.

lima20 · 2012-05-18, 03:37 PM

So folks, I called the city and spoke to a zoning officer, here is the response

"As long as the antenna is not for commercial purposes, YOU ARE FINE TO PUT UP AN ANTENNA"

Reference: Zoning Law 76-26 Section 5(A) city of Kingston building department

Jase88 · 2012-05-18, 04:33 PM

I've mentioned this before, and it's worth repeating:

Always ask the city or municipality about bylaws and building codes regarding your specific address. In some communities, these rules can vary by address.

For example, an older part of town may allow towers and antennas, while a new subdivision may not.

Also, get details on any restrictions that may exist.

For example, at my address in Kitchener, I'm permitted to erect a non-commercial tower structure up to 200'. But this structure may not be in a side yard if I'm on a corner lot, and it can't be in a front yard.

Some jurisdictions may require permits, or proof that the install has been inspected by a structural engineer.

freethetv · 2012-09-15, 03:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by evil_md

hi,

I live in downtown Toronto. I installed a dish on my condo balcony a few weeks ago and recently received notice to remove it from management. They are quoting a bylaw that reads:

"No television antennae, aerial, tower or similar structure and appurtenances therto shall be erected on or fastened to any unit, except in connection with a common television cable system."

Is there any loophole here?

The only things i can think of is to argue that a satellite dish is not similar to an antennae, aerial or tower. They use different frequencies to receive signals.

Thanks for any help.

Challenge the Strata bylaws. They violate the Competition act. Why has no on done this before? It could set a precedent for all Strata to change their bylaws. Any bylaw that restricts my choice of TV provider should be illegal. Strata councils are interfering in the free marketplace.

MonopolyBuster · 2012-09-15, 06:37 PM

Putting a naked antenna out on a balcony is just begging for confrontation.

Solution?
When does as antenna not look like an antenna? When its covered.

How you do it, is for you to mastermind, just ensure it is not a metallic cover.

As far as a sat dish not sure how much transparency you need since even rain affects the signal.

Good luck!

freethetv · 2012-09-15, 08:06 PM

Confrontation is good. Bring it on. Read the Competition Act.

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2012-02-24, 12:37 PM	#187
Chasseur Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: St-Eustache, Qc Posts: 177	Because generalist tv stations are supposed to be free. Their CRTC license force them to do so. Not everybody have the $$$ to pay cable companies. General tv channels are supposed to be free, like 30 years ago. __________________ Antenne CM4228 + CM7778 http://www.tvfool.com/?option=com_wr...60b560c7d1167c

2012-05-18, 03:37 PM	#191
lima20 Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 659	Kingston Ontario Zoning Law for Antenna So folks, I called the city and spoke to a zoning officer, here is the response "As long as the antenna is not for commercial purposes, YOU ARE FINE TO PUT UP AN ANTENNA" Reference: Zoning Law 76-26 Section 5(A) city of Kingston building department

2012-05-18, 04:33 PM	#192
Jase88 Moderator Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Kitchener, ON Posts: 4,105	I've mentioned this before, and it's worth repeating: Always ask the city or municipality about bylaws and building codes regarding your specific address. In some communities, these rules can vary by address. For example, an older part of town may allow towers and antennas, while a new subdivision may not. Also, get details on any restrictions that may exist. For example, at my address in Kitchener, I'm permitted to erect a non-commercial tower structure up to 200'. But this structure may not be in a side yard if I'm on a corner lot, and it can't be in a front yard. Some jurisdictions may require permits, or proof that the install has been inspected by a structural engineer. __________________ DMX 68' tower, HyGain HAM 5 rotator, Antennas Direct 91-XG & C5, Channel Master 7777 preamp, Siemens surge protection

2012-09-15, 08:06 PM	#195
freethetv Rookie Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 27	Confrontation is good. Bring it on. Read the Competition Act. Last edited by Jase88; 2012-09-15 at 08:10 PM. Reason: Unnecessary quote

2011-12-27, 10:11 AM	#181
insider22 Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 93	@the.importer Crtc has nothing to do with antenna regulation. This is the role of Industry Canada and a exclusive federal juridiction. Municipal power try to block cell phone antenna tower all the times, but they always loses. The same apply to TV antenna, but who would go to court for that ?

2011-12-28, 08:02 AM	#182
JamesK Veteran Join Date: May 2009 Location: Mississauga Posts: 5,039	IC also has nothing to do with this, as you agree to the condo by-laws when you buy. The options are either change the by-laws or get the feds to pass a law over-riding the condo by-laws.

2011-12-28, 02:56 PM	#183
insider22 Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 93	I was talking about municipal rules not the condo situation. But I think the case of the condo could be in in court because a private contract between to parties cannot include clauses that are not valid according to another law.

2012-02-24, 12:27 PM	#185
paulo500 Rookie Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: GTA Posts: 11	Bit of an old thread, but google sent me here. Im trying to find an answer to why stations broadcast their signal to "us" for free? Why don't they just use cable/satellite? Wouldn't it be cheaper and less towers/power being pushed around? Whenever I talk to ppl about ota, that's usually the first thing they ask me, and i never have an answer.

2012-02-24, 05:19 PM	#189
JamesK Veteran Join Date: May 2009 Location: Mississauga Posts: 5,039	^^^^ Actually, it's closer to 60 years. IIRC, the CBC started broadcasting TV in 1952 and before that, those in border areas could receive U.S. stations. For example, WBEN, Buffalo could be received in the Toronto area from May 1948. Broadcast TV in the U.S. started before WW2 or more than 70 years ago.

2012-05-03, 09:02 PM	#190
Wayne Veteran Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Scarboro Posts: 5,568	The by-laws would be quite different for each municipality. The Toronto by-law is here http://www.toronto.ca/legdocs/bylaws...6-volume-1.pdf. If you search for antenna you will find several hits pertaining to height, (an antenna may exceed the max height by a max of 5m) and also pertaining to rear year and side yard setbacks, etc.

2012-09-15, 06:37 PM	#194
MonopolyBuster Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Richmond Hill, Ontario Posts: 78	Putting a naked antenna out on a balcony is just begging for confrontation. Solution? When does as antenna not look like an antenna? When its covered. How you do it, is for you to mastermind, just ensure it is not a metallic cover. As far as a sat dish not sure how much transparency you need since even rain affects the signal. Good luck!

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