OTA: Eastern Ontario & Quebec DXing, Tropo, Atypical Reception - Canadian TV, Computing and Home Theatre Forums

Jase88 · 2012-01-01, 01:22 PM

Discussion for above regions.

aylmer_dude · 2012-03-19, 09:02 AM

Hi,

I guess this is the best place to post this.

I'm in Gatineau (Aylmer), Quebec.
Last Saturday I aimed my 91XG towards Lyon Mountain to get WCFE and it was coming in unusually strong so I ran a scan. I also picked up 2 WPTZ and 4 VPT (WETK) channels over 150 miles away. Also 2 Stations from Montreal also came in but I usually have to point that way to receive them.

Then pointing south to Watertown, I was able to receive WNPI and Fox and CBS from South Colton, but nothing from Watertown (oddly enough). That lasted for most of the day. Then Sunday, nothing except the usual.

ve2vq · 2012-03-19, 02:04 PM

I too checked the conditions about 9am, Saturday 17th, and noticed that
WCFE ch57-1/RF38 and WPBS 18-1/RF 23 were coming in very strong.
Both lasted until after 1pm when I had other things to do.

ChannelMaster · 2012-04-04, 05:43 PM

Oh boy, I sure hope there's maintenance on Mt. Royal tonight. Gotta try a scan westward (towards Montreal) to see what I can reach stations in the Ottawa area. That would be an absolute feat for me!

AnalogMig · 2012-04-20, 11:34 AM

T'was a great tropo night yesterday. I was bringing in 18.1.2, 38.1.2.3 and real channel 23 (57.1.2.3).

neuronics · 2012-05-14, 03:27 AM

Question for u : how much gain does tropo can produce...around Montreal ?

Open to every one !

nbound-au · 2012-05-14, 05:55 AM

It will depend on every occurence and your exact location.

neuronics · 2012-05-14, 11:06 AM

I need a ball park figure...1 to 5...10 to20...

Thanks

rabbit73 · 2012-05-14, 01:08 PM

Maybe these sites will help you:
http://www.dxinfocentre.com/tropo.html
http://www.dxinfocentre.com/index.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tropospheric_propagation
http://www.iucaf.org/SSS2010/present...opagation).ppt
http://www.radio-electronics.com/inf...ropagation.php
http://www.google.com/#hl=en&sclient...w=1024&bih=581

majortom · 2012-05-14, 07:45 PM

another good link in the SW Ontario tropo thread, here:

http://digitalhome.ca/forum/showpost...66&postcount=6

neuronics · 2012-05-15, 01:37 AM

Thanks for the info...a lot to read...

Dave Loudin · 2012-05-15, 09:34 AM

I think you'll still come to the conclusion that it depends. Tropo is like an on/off switch - either the path is open or it is not.

neuronics · 2012-05-15, 12:26 PM

What i like to now is, the gain of n/m that u experience ie 10 db or less...maybe more ?

HWP · 2012-05-15, 01:34 PM

neuronics,

During those hot nights when the out-of-town stations are booming in, they are booming in as strongly as if you lived right beside the transmitter. For the few moments, minutes, or hours that they are coming in, they are coming in as if it were a hometown channel.

I'm completely guessing here, but I would not be surprised if I had to put a db figure on it, it could be above 30 or even more.

Sometimes these tropo channels can lock-in strongly with a small antenna pointing completely sideways to the city it is coming from.

The bottom line is, you do not need to choose your antenna based on your desire to lock-on to tropo channels. When the tropo is coming in well, whatever antenna you have is likely to work.

Choose the best antenna for your situation and enjoy the bonus channels whenever they come in.

And even if you have the best antenna on earth, you won't be able to get stations that are just plain too far away - except for during those brief moments.

Enjoy your OTA.

nbound-au · 2012-05-16, 06:09 AM

Ill add on top of that that tropo also varies in strength, with the big tropo events bringing in the most stations, weaker tropo events occur more often but may just increase stations in markets at the fringe of your reception area, or just over, while big tropo events will bring everything in from a considerable distance outside of your normal reception area (in the right direction), and while the duct is open it will be quite reliable and usable

2012-01-01, 01:22 PM	#1
Jase88 Moderator Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Kitchener, ON Posts: 4,109	OTA: Eastern Ontario & Quebec DXing, Tropo, Atypical Reception Discussion for above regions. __________________ DMX 68' tower, HyGain HAM 5 rotator, Antennas Direct 91-XG & C5, Channel Master 7777 preamp, Siemens surge protection

2012-03-19, 09:02 AM	#2
aylmer_dude Rookie Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Gatineau (Aylmer), Quebec Posts: 11	Tropo this weekend Hi, I guess this is the best place to post this. I'm in Gatineau (Aylmer), Quebec. Last Saturday I aimed my 91XG towards Lyon Mountain to get WCFE and it was coming in unusually strong so I ran a scan. I also picked up 2 WPTZ and 4 VPT (WETK) channels over 150 miles away. Also 2 Stations from Montreal also came in but I usually have to point that way to receive them. Then pointing south to Watertown, I was able to receive WNPI and Fox and CBS from South Colton, but nothing from Watertown (oddly enough). That lasted for most of the day. Then Sunday, nothing except the usual.

2012-03-19, 02:04 PM	#3
ve2vq Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: AYLMER / Gatineau, Qc Posts: 48	Tropo season begins I too checked the conditions about 9am, Saturday 17th, and noticed that WCFE ch57-1/RF38 and WPBS 18-1/RF 23 were coming in very strong. Both lasted until after 1pm when I had other things to do.

2012-04-04, 05:43 PM	#4
ChannelMaster Join Date: May 2011 Location: Longueuil Posts: 421	Oh boy, I sure hope there's maintenance on Mt. Royal tonight. Gotta try a scan westward (towards Montreal) to see what I can reach stations in the Ottawa area. That would be an absolute feat for me! __________________ Going digital with a pair of CM4228a pointing due south fed into a Winegard SD-3700 antenna coupler @220 ft Last edited by stampeder; 2012-04-05 at 02:20 AM. Reason: moved to DXing thread

2012-04-20, 11:34 AM	#5
AnalogMig Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Ottawa - Riverside South Posts: 31	Tropo night T'was a great tropo night yesterday. I was bringing in 18.1.2, 38.1.2.3 and real channel 23 (57.1.2.3).

2012-05-14, 03:27 AM	#6
neuronics Rookie Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Ste-Therese PQ, Can Posts: 22	Tropo gain Question for u : how much gain does tropo can produce...around Montreal ? Open to every one !

2012-05-14, 05:55 AM	#7
nbound-au Join Date: May 2012 Location: Australia Posts: 40	It will depend on every occurence and your exact location.

2012-05-14, 11:06 AM	#8
neuronics Rookie Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Ste-Therese PQ, Can Posts: 22	I need a ball park figure...1 to 5...10 to20... Thanks

2012-05-14, 01:08 PM	#9
rabbit73 DHC Supporter Join Date: May 2010 Location: S.E. VA Posts: 181	Maybe these sites will help you: http://www.dxinfocentre.com/tropo.html http://www.dxinfocentre.com/index.html http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tropospheric_propagation http://www.iucaf.org/SSS2010/present...opagation).ppt http://www.radio-electronics.com/inf...ropagation.php http://www.google.com/#hl=en&sclient...w=1024&bih=581 __________________ If you can not measure it, you can not improve it. Lord Kelvin, 1883

2012-05-14, 07:45 PM	#10
majortom Veteran Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 2,566	another good link in the SW Ontario tropo thread, here: http://digitalhome.ca/forum/showpost...66&postcount=6 __________________ uhf/vhf combo rotor chimney mount homebrew vhf hi hpf ap-8700 preamp 4way split lg lcd dtt901 pctuner mythtv

2012-05-15, 01:37 AM	#11
neuronics Rookie Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Ste-Therese PQ, Can Posts: 22	Thanks for the info...a lot to read...

2012-05-15, 09:34 AM	#12
Dave Loudin Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: King George, VA Posts: 358	I think you'll still come to the conclusion that it depends. Tropo is like an on/off switch - either the path is open or it is not. __________________ OTA, it's a beauty way to go!

2012-05-15, 12:26 PM	#13
neuronics Rookie Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Ste-Therese PQ, Can Posts: 22	What i like to now is, the gain of n/m that u experience ie 10 db or less...maybe more ?

2012-05-15, 01:34 PM	#14
HWP Join Date: May 2010 Location: Toronto, East York (Greenwood & Mortimer) Posts: 1,143	neuronics, During those hot nights when the out-of-town stations are booming in, they are booming in as strongly as if you lived right beside the transmitter. For the few moments, minutes, or hours that they are coming in, they are coming in as if it were a hometown channel. I'm completely guessing here, but I would not be surprised if I had to put a db figure on it, it could be above 30 or even more. Sometimes these tropo channels can lock-in strongly with a small antenna pointing completely sideways to the city it is coming from. The bottom line is, you do not need to choose your antenna based on your desire to lock-on to tropo channels. When the tropo is coming in well, whatever antenna you have is likely to work. Choose the best antenna for your situation and enjoy the bonus channels whenever they come in. And even if you have the best antenna on earth, you won't be able to get stations that are just plain too far away - except for during those brief moments. Enjoy your OTA. __________________ OTA, HD7697P, CM7778, Rotator, CM3218, TiVo, HDHomeRun Apple TV, Netflix, Teksavvy, Unblock-us, Wind, MagicJack

2012-05-16, 06:09 AM	#15
nbound-au Join Date: May 2012 Location: Australia Posts: 40	Ill add on top of that that tropo also varies in strength, with the big tropo events bringing in the most stations, weaker tropo events occur more often but may just increase stations in markets at the fringe of your reception area, or just over, while big tropo events will bring everything in from a considerable distance outside of your normal reception area (in the right direction), and while the duct is open it will be quite reliable and usable

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