BEV Home Signal Switching/Splitting/Cabling Discussion Thread

[mbalders]

Anyone running more then 4 reciver off one dish? Bell doesnt seem to offer a switch bigger then the SW44 (according to the installer they sent). He is currently at a loss on how to connect all (6) of our recivers. Right now we have the old SD only dish and a 4x8 switch all purchased around 2 years ago. Everything worked fine with that dish with the 2 coax feeds from the dish into the switch, then 6 feeds going to the recivers. However it appears that the switch doesnt want to work with the new HD dish and 4 feeds. The installer tried an SW44 and everything worked, except we didnt have all our receivers connected. Anybody have any ideas?

[dirtyjeffer]

a cheap fix may be to use a different dish for your HD receiver, or two or more regular receivers and your multiswitch (although, it may not be aesthetically pleasing).

[Skyway]

Option #1: 4 HF splitters and 2 SW44's

Option #2 a SW44 and SW44A

Another suggestion, get a installer that knows how to do it...

[mbalders]

yeah, the installer said the last resort would be to use a 2nd dish... but wouldn't my monthly bill be huge??? And running more wires from the roof to the basement would be a huge hassle.

The guy was at least friendly enough to talk to me about what he was doing and didnt assume that i was an idiot. Anyway he said that the whole thing about sat feeds is that the voltage has to stay the same in the wires, hence the powered mulitswitch. Now maybe im wrong but wouldnt putting a splitter in the sat feed before the mutliswitch cut the voltage?

The single is going to have to be split somewhere so we can use SW44s. Skyway are you suggesting using the 4 HF splitters on the feeds coming from the dish? Then into switches (it would be an SW44 and a SW22, 6 boxes, 2 of which are HD)?

I was thinking maybe splitting the single after the switch? but reading around that seems like a no no, the split comes before the switch... am i right?

Do you guys recommend any Hardware for this? anything i can get at the shack?

Thanks for the replies, maybe i can solve this before the installer comes to finish! hah

[Phil]

The simplest way would be to add a second dish. One pointed at EV Sat 91 and one pointed at EV Sat 82. This would ensure that you have access to all channels BEV offers.

If both Dish's have a dual LNB, you would have a total of 4 cables coming into your house from the two dishes.

You would then run those 4 cables into an SW-44A. Out of the SW-44A into a regular SW-44. This would give you the capability to hook up to 8 receivers.

My current setup includes 4 receivers, using two 18 inch dishes, one for EV91 and one for EV82. They go through one regular SW-44.

I am thinking of adding the 5200 dual-tuner unit, which will require two more connections (totalling 6 receiver connections for me).

This link shows you a setup for up to 12 receivers, but again, all you would need is one SW-44A and an SW-44.

http://www.microyal.com/sw-44a%20cascade%20daigram.jpg

[mbalders]

Could i do this?

Using the Dual LNB dish I have now, run the 4 cables into an SW44A (from that i can hook up 4 recivers using SW-64PIs), then continue the Sat feed from the SW44A to a SW44 and then other two recivers from the SW44...

Would this work?

Also, whats the "power supply" in the daigram? (in the SW-64PI connection)

[Phil]

Originally Posted by mbalders

Could i do this?

Using the Dual LNB dish I have now, run the 4 cables into an SW44A (from that i can hook up 4 recivers using SW-64PIs), then continue the Sat feed from the SW44A to a SW44 and then other two recivers from the SW44...

Would this work?

Also, whats the "power supply" in the diagram? (in the SW-64PI connection)

This would work.

The SW-64PI Power Inserters come with the SW-44A and SW-44 switches. There is only 1 (one) SW-64PI power inserter required for each switch . You do not need one for each receiver connection.

They are needed to maintain the signal strength through the switches to each receiver port. It does not matter which of your receiver's you connect to the Power Inserter. Keep in mind that each Power Inserter will need an AC outlet to connect to. It is your typical power plug with the DC converter box at the end of the plug.

You will notice that the SW-44A has those 4 additional "Pass Through" connections on the bottom that would allow the sat signals to continue through to the regular SW-44.

Each receiver (up to 8 total with this configuration) would be connected to each of the cable connections on each side of the switches (notice that there are two on each side of each switch).

The SW-44A's run around $130 Cdn and the SW-44 is around $110 Cdn. Each of these switches come with the required single SW-64PI Power Inserter.

[Skyway]

Originally Posted by mbalders

Skyway are you suggesting using the 4 HF splitters on the feeds coming from the dish? Then into switches (it would be an SW44 and a SW22, 6 boxes, 2 of which are HD)?

That correct hf splitters from the LNBF before the switches, then use 2 x SW44's, each SW44 will have a power inserter to provide enough power to keep it all working properly..

[AndreH]

Originally Posted by Skyway

Option #1: 4 HF splitters and 2 SW44's

I went with this option and everything works just fine.

[I_Want_My_HDTV]

Ordinary splitters will not work correctly. You need two-way splitters with one-port power pass and one-port dc-block. There is also a very specific way they need to be connected. It is described in the Dishnet SW44 installation instructions. IIRC, this topic has been discussed previously and at length. Do a search.

For a NIMIQ91 & 82 upgraded dish: You need four 1X2 switches....and two 4X4 switches...

I doubt this will work. It is not the method recommended by Dishnet who makes the hardware.

[AndreH]

Originally Posted by I_Want_My_HDTV

Ordinary splitters will not work correctly. You need two-way splitters with one-port power pass and one-port dc-block.

And fortunately for all, Home Depot sells this type of splitter!

[kandkt]

I contacted BEV about hooking up a fifth receiver, and I was told to install 4 - HF splitters (1GHz) 1x2 ahead of the two SW44's. They sent me a diagram from an instruction manual showing the connections.

[Rhy]

Originally Posted by Skyway

Option #1: 4 HF splitters and 2 SW44's

Option #2 a SW44 and SW44A

Another suggestion, get a installer that knows how to do it...

I went with option 1 and all is fine, i have 5 recievers all working great, one of the 5 is a hd pvr, so i actually have 6.

i got the splitters at home depot for 9.99 each

i also broke down and bought a crimper and cable cutter at the same time,

i already had 2 sw 44 switches.

there is a diagram in the manual that comes with the sw44.

[kandkt]

i got the splitters at home depot for 9.99 each

Rhy, can you tell me if the splitters you bought at Home Depot were the ones that say powerpass on one side of the splitter? I don't quite understand what effect this will have on the set-up. Thanks.

[visiter555]

Originally Posted by mbalders

Anyone running more then 4 reciver off one dish? Bell doesnt seem to offer a switch bigger then the SW44 (according to the installer they sent). He is currently at a loss on how to connect all (6) of our recivers. Right now we have the old SD only dish and a 4x8 switch all purchased around 2 years ago. Everything worked fine with that dish with the 2 coax feeds from the dish into the switch, then 6 feeds going to the recivers. However it appears that the switch doesnt want to work with the new HD dish and 4 feeds. The installer tried an SW44 and everything worked, except we didnt have all our receivers connected. Anybody have any ideas?

A couple of easy and inexpensive alternatives:

1. IF you have all newer IRDs (3100, 6100, 4100 etc.) replace (but check them) the two LNBs with DishPro ones and then add two DP34 switches. The DP switches have three SAT inputs, four IRD outputs and three CASCADE to another switch outputs. You can cascade at least 12 DP34 switches together and run 48 IRDs off that chain.

2. If you have older (legacy) IRDs buy a three SAT input six IRD outs (there are many of these made) switch.

3. If you have older (legacy) IRDs buy two RCA three SAT input six IRD outs (there are many of these made) switches. The RCA switches have three SAT inputs, four IRD outputs and three CASCADE to another switch outputs. You can cascade several RCA switches to get at least 16 IRDs.

DP34s sell for roughly $15 to $20 on E-Bay. Dish Pro LNBs sell for the same.

# 2 is the simplest of the alternatives.