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zinco · 2011-09-30, 08:59 AM

Montreal Municipality bans Satellites in the City. From now on the Satellite dishes should either be installed on the Roof (2 meters away from the wall, not visible from the street), in the back or on the balcony below the edge (not visible from the street). The fine is $325 up to $700.

We elect these officials to office and they come up with stupid bylaws to please the Bell Lobby. Yes, Bell now offers Bell Fibe IPTV, so more Bell Satellite Dishes. They want you to subscribe to Bell Fibe TV. Dear officials, Gerald Tremblay, Alan DeSousa and the rest, See You Next Elections! You've been in this position for long now. It's time to go!

Read the Cyberbulletin (scroll down to Satellite antennas):
https://bulletin.saintlaurent.ville....nEnJuil11.html

Règlement RCA08-08-0001 (French):
http://www11.ville.montreal.qc.ca/sh...document/20050

Download and Read Official Flyer (PDF):
http://www.mediafire.com/?4fg0p34o42ea7mg

What are your thoughts on this? How shall we protest?

Kraven · 2011-09-30, 01:01 PM

From a legal standpoint, all dishes installed prior to the ban should be exempt.

Ironic through that graffiti is OK because its from someone who's expressing himself and his art... but a dish is an eye sore.

Besides, I rather look at a dish over the Champlain bridge any day.

Cheers, K

Mole · 2011-09-30, 01:28 PM

the Montreal PD need more bribe driving laws now!

zinco · 2011-09-30, 01:31 PM

Man, first I did not take it seriously, but now we have the flyer posted in the building entrance and the landlord is talking to everyone.

Then guess what? You get the fine, $325 to $700.

If you put it on the balcony floor then they might get you for the Balconies Cleanliness bylaw (I'm looking for that flyer). It's By-Law 03-096, art. 25(1) which has a fine of up to $1000. Note that these two By-Laws contradict each other.

Now, the whole city is full of Bell and FTA dishes. There should be a massive protest...

Pinza · 2011-09-30, 02:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zinco

Yes, Bell now offers Bell Fibe IPTV, so more Bell Satellite Dishes.

iPTV, is via Fire Optic Cables and does NOT require a Dish.

Another option is to have the building wired for Bell TV with just 2 Dish's on the Roof, they can feed the entire Building and nothing will be visible from the roadside.

Kraven · 2011-09-30, 02:48 PM

@ Zinco Am sure this bill was created for those buildings that we see on the 40 that have like 40 dishes on the side of them in mind. unfortunately, individuals like you are paying for it. I wouldnt recommended moving it yourself. Call Bell and politely explain the situation. Am sure they'll have it moved at no cost to you.
I have no love for Bell whatsoever, however, they have experiences with laws like these.

@ Pinza Good point, even 1 dish would be enough. however, anything building with more than 20 apartments would be considered an MDU, ie- commercial building, so the packages are different.

Cheers, K

Pinza · 2011-09-30, 03:15 PM

To my knowledge the packages are exactly the same for MDU as SFU, at least in T.O they are.

One Dish would only be good for Nimiq 91 reception.

Stacked Nimiq 1 & 2 MDU Installations are designed for 2 x 75cm (at least) Off-set Dish's.

Emerald_Boar · 2011-09-30, 03:32 PM

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Council adopted a new clause in its bylaws pertaining to the installation of satellite antennas measuring less than 1 metre in diameter. Also targeting existing antennas, this clause outlined specific installation standards that relate to all housing categories.

C BAND dishes are good. Where can you find 40"+ ku dishes. They normally, only come in 30" to 39" dishes.

I wonder how much [QUEBEC CABLE] paided for this law?

It is obv that bell/shaw will fight this. Probably via CRTC or FEDS.

Read ya l8r,
AL

DrSat · 2011-10-01, 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Emerald_Boar

C BAND dishes are good. Where can you find 40"+ ku dishes. They normally, only come in 30" to 39" dishes.

I wonder how much [QUEBEC CABLE] paided for this law?

It is obv that bell/shaw will fight this. Probably via CRTC or FEDS.

Read ya l8r,
AL

Looks like we will start to see an increasing demand for 1.2 meter dishes! 1.2 meter = 48 inches and exempt from this bylaw and can still be installed on a brick wall motorized or fixed. Can receive some C-band channels in addition to KU band using a conical scalar ring.

DrSat · 2011-10-01, 11:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pinza

iPTV, is via Fire Optic Cables and does NOT require a Dish.

Another option is to have the building wired for Bell TV with just 2 Dish's on the Roof, they can feed the entire Building and nothing will be visible from the roadside.

The issue is that you assume that everyone wants Bell TV

What about Shaw Direct or FTA?

The following two solutions would allow you to have both Bell or Shaw Direct and FTA on a single dish. As Shaw Direct uses a linear LNBF, you can use the same linear LNBF as you would use for FTA.

Solution 1: 85 cm (36 inch) motorized offset dish with Invacom QPH-031 LNBF in the middle (or dual Ku band standard linear LNBF for Shaw Direct) with a dual Circular (standard Linear for Shaw Direct) KU LNBF mounted on the side for 82W (111.1W for Shaw Direct). The Invacom receives both Linear (FTA) and Circular (Bell) satellites on a single LNBF. One of the L ports of the QPH-031 LNBF would go to the LNBF input of the motor with the receiver output going to the FTA receiver.

For the Bell TV receiver, one of the C outputs from the QPH-031 LNBF along with an output of the side mounted Circular LNBF would go to a SW-21 switch and the output of the switch would go directly to the Bell TV receiver. For Shaw Direct, 1 output from each Linear LNBF (center and side mounted) would be connected to a 22KHz switch with the output going to the receiver.

To watch Bell TV, simply select 91W (or 107.3W for Shaw Direct) using the FTA receiver and Bell TV service should come on once the dish arrives at 91W (107.3W for Shaw Direct) with 82W (111.1W for Shaw Direct) programming being received off the side mounted LNBF. The only caveats using this type of setup is that it's not possible to watch Bell TV and FTA at the same time using different TV's. Also, you need to remember to leave the dish on 91W (107.3W for Shaw Direct) when the FTA is not being used in order to keep the Bell TV EPG guide updated. However, the advantage of this setup is that you can receive all KU band satellites available from your location because of the motorized dish.

Solution 2: Toroidal T-90 fixed dish which can receive satellites within 40 degrees of arc so you could easily have bell and FTA on the same dish. 82W and 91W circular LNBF's for Bell TV and any amount of linear LNBF's for FTA. Use SW-21 for Bell and 8 x 1 DiSEqC switch for FTA. The only caveat using this type of setup is that you are limited to 40 degrees of arc and the hardware (dish & all LNBF's) is more expensive than a motorized dish system. However, you are able to watch both Bell TV or Shaw Direct and FTA at the same time.

Regards,

Dr. Sat

Pinza · 2011-10-01, 11:44 AM

Hmmmm, and you could feed a 200 unit building with each Customer being able to choose the Channel of there choice via the single RG59 or RG6 line into each suite with these options.? Impressive.

Emerald_Boar · 2011-10-04, 08:04 PM

rg59 cable is useless for satellite as there is way too much line loss.

Correct me if I am wrong, Too support 200 units with a one satellite dish is near impossible. As Horizonal and vertical channels need to 2 mapped to different ports. Cause if one box in the system is not mapped correctly. The whole system can come down. Theres bound to some nut that may to rescan the system.

Start buying 1.2 meter sats dishes as they are exempt =D

Read ya l8r,
Al

PS. How much signal would one lose. If they were to say install a dish in a attic?

Pinza · 2011-10-04, 08:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Emerald_Boar

PS. How much signal would one lose. If they were to say install a dish in a attic?

100% of the Signal will be lost.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Emerald_Boar

rg59 cable is useless for satellite as there is way too much line loss.

There are hundreds of Apartment buildings with RG59 cable installed that are working just fine with Bell TV's Stacked Systems, literally hundreds.

As for 200 units being too many, well I was just in a building in Mississauga with 440 Suites, each Suite has 3 outlets, a total of 1320 Outlets, all fed from a pair of Dish's.

DrSat · 2011-10-04, 10:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Emerald_Boar

PS. How much signal would one lose. If they were to say install a dish in a attic?

The only way this would theoretically be possible is if a skylight is first added in the attic with un-tinted glass on the south side of the roof where the dish is supposed to be aimed.

However, the signal would not be very reliable, especially during winter if the window fills with snow so this would not be a recommended install unless you have no other choice. If anyone is crazy enough to try this, I would definitely recommend a much larger dish than usual in order to compensate for the weaker satellite signal as the glass does attenuate the satellite signal, especially if wet.

Dr. Sat

CenturyBreak · 2011-09-30, 06:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zinco

Montreal Municipality bans Satellites in the City. From now on the Satellite dishes should either be installed on the Roof (2 meters away from the wall...

What are your thoughts on this? How shall we protest?

That would be difficult! I assume the legislation actually requires them to be 2 metres away from the wall.

2011-09-30, 08:59 AM	#1
zinco Rookie Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 10	Montreal Municipality bans Satellites in the City Montreal Municipality bans Satellites in the City. From now on the Satellite dishes should either be installed on the Roof (2 meters away from the wall, not visible from the street), in the back or on the balcony below the edge (not visible from the street). The fine is $325 up to $700. We elect these officials to office and they come up with stupid bylaws to please the Bell Lobby. Yes, Bell now offers Bell Fibe IPTV, so more Bell Satellite Dishes. They want you to subscribe to Bell Fibe TV. Dear officials, Gerald Tremblay, Alan DeSousa and the rest, See You Next Elections! You've been in this position for long now. It's time to go! Read the Cyberbulletin (scroll down to Satellite antennas): https://bulletin.saintlaurent.ville....nEnJuil11.html Règlement RCA08-08-0001 (French): http://www11.ville.montreal.qc.ca/sh...document/20050 Download and Read Official Flyer (PDF): http://www.mediafire.com/?4fg0p34o42ea7mg What are your thoughts on this? How shall we protest?

2011-09-30, 01:28 PM	#3
Mole Veteran Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Toronto Posts: 2,246	the Montreal PD need more bribe driving laws now! __________________ "I've sworn off agnosticism, which I now call cowardly atheism" James Cameron

2011-10-04, 08:04 PM	#12
Emerald_Boar Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: (SoHo area) London ON Posts: 601	rg59 cable is useless for satellite as there is way too much line loss. Correct me if I am wrong, Too support 200 units with a one satellite dish is near impossible. As Horizonal and vertical channels need to 2 mapped to different ports. Cause if one box in the system is not mapped correctly. The whole system can come down. Theres bound to some nut that may to rescan the system. Start buying 1.2 meter sats dishes as they are exempt =D Read ya l8r, Al PS. How much signal would one lose. If they were to say install a dish in a attic? __________________ OTA: DB8 + Y5 2-6 + CM777. FTA: 30W + 72W + 87W + 97W

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2011-09-30, 01:01 PM	#2
Kraven Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: South Shore, QC Posts: 530	From a legal standpoint, all dishes installed prior to the ban should be exempt. Ironic through that graffiti is OK because its from someone who's expressing himself and his art... but a dish is an eye sore. Besides, I rather look at a dish over the Champlain bridge any day. Cheers, K

2011-09-30, 01:31 PM	#4
zinco Rookie Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 10	Man, first I did not take it seriously, but now we have the flyer posted in the building entrance and the landlord is talking to everyone. Then guess what? You get the fine, $325 to $700. If you put it on the balcony floor then they might get you for the Balconies Cleanliness bylaw (I'm looking for that flyer). It's By-Law 03-096, art. 25(1) which has a fine of up to $1000. Note that these two By-Laws contradict each other. Now, the whole city is full of Bell and FTA dishes. There should be a massive protest...

2011-09-30, 02:48 PM	#6
Kraven Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: South Shore, QC Posts: 530	@ Zinco Am sure this bill was created for those buildings that we see on the 40 that have like 40 dishes on the side of them in mind. unfortunately, individuals like you are paying for it. I wouldnt recommended moving it yourself. Call Bell and politely explain the situation. Am sure they'll have it moved at no cost to you. I have no love for Bell whatsoever, however, they have experiences with laws like these. @ Pinza Good point, even 1 dish would be enough. however, anything building with more than 20 apartments would be considered an MDU, ie- commercial building, so the packages are different. Cheers, K

2011-09-30, 03:15 PM	#7
Pinza Veteran Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: GTA Posts: 8,583	To my knowledge the packages are exactly the same for MDU as SFU, at least in T.O they are. One Dish would only be good for Nimiq 91 reception. Stacked Nimiq 1 & 2 MDU Installations are designed for 2 x 75cm (at least) Off-set Dish's.

2011-10-01, 11:44 AM	#11
Pinza Veteran Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: GTA Posts: 8,583	Hmmmm, and you could feed a 200 unit building with each Customer being able to choose the Channel of there choice via the single RG59 or RG6 line into each suite with these options.? Impressive.