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hugh · 2004-03-10, 12:27 PM

Steve Moore suffered "cracked vertebrae in his neck, a concussion, deep cuts to his face, and abrasions on his cheek, forehead and upper lip."

This after "Bertuzzi tried repeatedly to goad Moore into a fight during the game"

This is what I call pre-meditated. Bertuzzi intended to hurt Moore from the beginning and frankly the Vancouver team so much as said they would prior to the game.

It's time the NHL learned and just got rid of these animals.

steve 8282 · 2004-03-10, 12:30 PM

I am confused as to why he has not been charged criminally as well. I think if some one did this on the street It would be good for aggravated assault possibly attempted murder.

MarcP · 2004-03-10, 12:32 PM

To which extent to we shield the NHL from criminal assaults? According to an ad-hod poll on CP24 this morning, the public wants criminal charges against Bertuzzi by a margin of 2 to 1. And I agree with that. This was a cowardly assault that could've resulted in death. Moore could've died! So if nothing is done criminally, what message will this send? NHL players are immune unless someone is killed?

This editorial says it all...

james99 · 2004-03-10, 12:39 PM

If he was a Leaf we all know the outcome of the CP24 poll would be totally different.

dialog_gvf · 2005-08-08, 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by james99

If he was a Leaf we all know the outcome of the CP24 poll would be totally different.

Yep.

Notice the location of many of those thinking he's done his time. It's amazing how being a member of your local team changes your perspective entirely.

I'm not condemning it. Merely pointing it out.

The fan wants him back.
The competition doesn't want to deal with him.
The rest look at it more objectively. But the fans won't see it that way.

Gary

Richard Travale · 2005-08-08, 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by dialog_gvf

Yep.

Notice the location of many of those thinking he's done his time. It's amazing how being a member of your local team changes your perspective entirely.

I'm not condemning it. Merely pointing it out.

The fan wants him back.
The competition doesn't want to deal with him.
The rest look at it more objectively. But the fans won't see it that way.

Gary

Way to jump to a conclusion. I'm a Habs fan through and through. Yet amazingly, I still feel that Bertuzzi should be reinstated.

dialog_gvf · 2005-08-09, 02:41 AM

So, you figure that in reality most Canucks fans want him suspended longer, or for life?

I actually didn't say fans. I said location. Because that has other issues such as economic spinoff due to the franchise, etc. that are supportable by people that don't even care for hockey.

Stated "non fan" positions from BC makes it even more fascinating. Is this more than a hockey issue?

Why do you suppose the schism in attitude?

Gary

Icemann · 2005-08-09, 11:51 AM

I am a Canuck fan and have to admit because I am a fan and I'm in Vancouver, I find the end of the suspension appropriate. I would have been okay with another 10 games too.

If you like the team and your in Vancouver, your going to think it was okay for the most part.

At the time it happened I was completely outraged and would have gone for an 82 game suspension but your team loyalties come back into play and you soften on your stance a lot quicker than someone who has no vested emotional interest in the situation.

So, if you are vested emotionally things heal faster. I mean how else can you explain a sold out ACC for the Leafs year after year

MarcP · 2004-03-10, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by james99

If he was a Leaf we all know the outcome of the CP24 poll would be totally different.

And what does that have to do with the incident? That it was okay? Broken necks are part of hockey? Shall I quote an across-Canada CBC poll instead?

james99 · 2004-03-10, 12:48 PM

It's a whole lot easier to say put a guy in jail if he plays for another team.

Let's say it was Mats Sundin being investigated. How many of these CP24 viewers would want him arrested? A lot less than this guy, that's for sure.

MarcP · 2004-03-10, 12:50 PM

You haven't answered my other questions...

hugh · 2004-03-10, 12:53 PM

Lets stay on topic please!

james99 · 2004-03-10, 12:54 PM

I was just commenting on the CP24 poll. Find a poll out of Vancouver. I'm sure the results are a lot different than the rest of Canada. Since i haven't seen the incident i won't comment on the punishment.

But based upon what i've read so far, a lenghly suspension is in order.

I didn't mean to imply that he shouldn't be arrested.

JohnnyG · 2004-03-10, 01:17 PM

It was just plain ugly. Mostly because Moore was completely broadsided and had absolutely no chance of protecting himself. He went down like a sack of potatoes.

It's akin to walking out of a bar or something, whistling dixie, then BAM! You're slammed in the face from behind, then jumped.

He was, IMHO, attacked. Pure and simple.

And this is coming from a guy that plays hockey, knows it's a violent sport, and usually poo-poos outcries about stuff like this.

Mike F · 2005-08-10, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by JohnnyG

It was just plain ugly. Mostly because Moore was completely broadsided and had absolutely no chance of protecting himself. He went down like a sack of potatoes.

This happens in EVERY SINGLE NHL game. I challenge you to show me a game where somebody is not punched with a gloved hand.

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Originally Posted by JohnnyG

It's akin to walking out of a bar or something, whistling dixie, then BAM! You're slammed in the face from behind, then jumped.

No it's not... Steve Moore KNEW somebody was coming for him some time. He KNEW he'd have to pay for the elbow on Naslund eventually. It's also accepted on the ice, and it's not on the street. It's nothing like being at a bar. Yes, it's tragic he was hurt that badly, but had he not been knocked out, there would be zero discussion about this.

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Originally Posted by JohnnyG

He was, IMHO, attacked. Pure and simple..

Sure he was... so was Neidermayer by Domi. So was Berard by Hossa. So was Turgeon by Hunter. So was Richardson by Ciccerelli. So did McSorley on that big goon (his name escapes me, but that was FAR worse than Bertuzzi's)... and so on, and so on, and so on.

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Originally Posted by JohnnyG

And this is coming from a guy that plays hockey, knows it's a violent sport, and usually poo-poos outcries about stuff like this.

I'm amazed to hear this from you then... No doubt it was bad, and no doubt Bertuzzi didn't plan on hurting him that badly. But all in all, he hit him with a gloved hand, which knocked Moore out... as a result, when Bertuzzi jumped on him to fight, they both went down with full force.

This stuff happens ALL THE TIME. The difference is Moore got hurt.

2004-03-10, 12:27 PM	#1
hugh Member #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Toronto Posts: 47,492	Ban Bertuzzi for life! Steve Moore suffered "cracked vertebrae in his neck, a concussion, deep cuts to his face, and abrasions on his cheek, forehead and upper lip." This after "Bertuzzi tried repeatedly to goad Moore into a fight during the game" This is what I call pre-meditated. Bertuzzi intended to hurt Moore from the beginning and frankly the Vancouver team so much as said they would prior to the game. It's time the NHL learned and just got rid of these animals. __________________ As of January 2012, I am no longer the owner of the Digital Home website. If you have questions about the operation of the site, please contact VSAdmin. For personal inquiries contact me at the Hugh Thompson website.

2004-03-10, 12:30 PM	#2
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2005-08-09, 02:41 AM	#7
dialog_gvf Veteran Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Downtown Toronto, ON Posts: 2,130	So, you figure that in reality most Canucks fans want him suspended longer, or for life? I actually didn't say fans. I said location. Because that has other issues such as economic spinoff due to the franchise, etc. that are supportable by people that don't even care for hockey. Stated "non fan" positions from BC makes it even more fascinating. Is this more than a hockey issue? Why do you suppose the schism in attitude? Gary __________________ To HD - And beyond.

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hugh Member #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Toronto Posts: 47,492	Lets stay on topic please! __________________ As of January 2012, I am no longer the owner of the Digital Home website. If you have questions about the operation of the site, please contact VSAdmin. For personal inquiries contact me at the Hugh Thompson website.

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2004-03-10, 12:32 PM	#3
MarcP Veteran Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Airdrie, AB Posts: 3,812	To which extent to we shield the NHL from criminal assaults? According to an ad-hod poll on CP24 this morning, the public wants criminal charges against Bertuzzi by a margin of 2 to 1. And I agree with that. This was a cowardly assault that could've resulted in death. Moore could've died! So if nothing is done criminally, what message will this send? NHL players are immune unless someone is killed? This editorial says it all...

2004-03-10, 12:39 PM	#4
james99 Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Burlington Posts: 24,791	If he was a Leaf we all know the outcome of the CP24 poll would be totally different.

2005-08-09, 11:51 AM	#8
Icemann Veteran Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Vancouver Posts: 1,651	I am a Canuck fan and have to admit because I am a fan and I'm in Vancouver, I find the end of the suspension appropriate. I would have been okay with another 10 games too. If you like the team and your in Vancouver, your going to think it was okay for the most part. At the time it happened I was completely outraged and would have gone for an 82 game suspension but your team loyalties come back into play and you soften on your stance a lot quicker than someone who has no vested emotional interest in the situation. So, if you are vested emotionally things heal faster. I mean how else can you explain a sold out ACC for the Leafs year after year

2004-03-10, 12:48 PM	#10
james99 Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Burlington Posts: 24,791	It's a whole lot easier to say put a guy in jail if he plays for another team. Let's say it was Mats Sundin being investigated. How many of these CP24 viewers would want him arrested? A lot less than this guy, that's for sure.

2004-03-10, 12:50 PM	#11
MarcP Veteran Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Airdrie, AB Posts: 3,812	You haven't answered my other questions...

2004-03-10, 12:54 PM	#13
james99 Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Burlington Posts: 24,791	I was just commenting on the CP24 poll. Find a poll out of Vancouver. I'm sure the results are a lot different than the rest of Canada. Since i haven't seen the incident i won't comment on the punishment. But based upon what i've read so far, a lenghly suspension is in order. I didn't mean to imply that he shouldn't be arrested.

2004-03-10, 01:17 PM	#14
JohnnyG Veteran Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: North York, Ontario Posts: 10,405	It was just plain ugly. Mostly because Moore was completely broadsided and had absolutely no chance of protecting himself. He went down like a sack of potatoes. It's akin to walking out of a bar or something, whistling dixie, then BAM! You're slammed in the face from behind, then jumped. He was, IMHO, attacked. Pure and simple. And this is coming from a guy that plays hockey, knows it's a violent sport, and usually poo-poos outcries about stuff like this.