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2009-05-22 01:22 PM
David Susilo Agreed.
2009-05-22 11:20 AM
Khorn As I have posted elsewhere Picture Quality is the primary reason I chose the 111. After all that's what its all about right?
2009-05-20 10:17 AM
1tribeca That explains the price diff right? I own a PRO-141, and I still grin each time I turn it on to watch something! Susilo & myself think alike...hard to settle for second best when you've seen THE best right? It is a matter of budget. Personally, I ran out of coin by the time I bought my I grabbed a Sony S350...couldn't stretch for the Elite BD-05. Besdies, I'm not convinced that the gap between the Pio/Panasonic panel(s) is the same between BD players.

I imagine it won't take more than 2 generations for whomever to manufacture/release a panel that's superior to an Elite (in whatever technology LED/LCD, Plaz, OLED) but for now, they truly are somethin to of the best. That's the sad part about Pio exiting the TV biz...Imagine their panels in 5 years time???
2009-05-20 02:07 AM
Rosso_Corsa If I saw the PZ800 in isolation, I would be perfect happy with its picture.

However, I had the opportunity to see the 111 and the 800 side by side in a darkened showroom (Pure mode on the 111, THX mode on the 800) and there was NO COMPARISON WHATSOEVER.

The Kuro demolishes the PZ800 in blacks, shadow detail, pop, clarity, colour saturation, and it does not take a videophile to appreciate the difference. Even my girlfriend said that looking at the Panny after the Kuro was like watching through a foggy haze.
2009-03-14 10:39 AM
David Susilo whether something is worth the price (or otherwise) is really depend on your visual acuity, your budget and you persoinal caring (or not).

For example, my dad can clearly see the difference between 9G and 8G Pio and 800u in my house although they are not in the same room. His choice for his house AFTER seeing all that? Sony XBR5! Why? Although he can see the difference, he doesn't care about picture quality so making paying for anything beyond the XBR price (close-out pricing at the time, making it cheaper than 800u) is not worth the money.

Me? it's a different story. The differences are too big for my level of acceptability yet I don't have the money to buy another Pioneer plasma, so I sold my 800u and have the 3rd room only using my old 20" Toshiba CRT TV.

Beyond all that, regardless how "clear" a protective glass is, refraction will always be there. It's just simple physics. The further away the protective glass from the light source (ie, the plasma screen itself), the blurrier/hazier the resulting image will get.
I encounter this during my time consulting for commercial theatres and currently in my photography. Even when the manufacturer claim the material to have "zero" effect.
Tu push things further, take a picture with and without lens filter (even if your lens filter is a B+W filter costing close to $200 for a 82mm diameter) You WILL see the difference.
I'm pretty sure that Panasonic does NOT use a $200-grade for 82mm of diameter for their 50" TVs.

Regardless, I do admit and strongly agree that the Pana 800U is a kick butt TV for the money and suitable for most of the population. Just not the best and there many people like me looking and won't settle for less than the best either because of visual acuity or sometimes just because of snobbery.

2009-03-13 02:12 PM
Originally Posted by David Susilo View Post
I play Wii all the time. NO problem with both my PRO-1150 and PRO-111.

THe biggest problem of the Panasonic, to me, is the additional layer of "protective" glass. It blurs the picture unless you're 100% smack dab in front of the screen. I used to own the 50" 800U and I can't stand the bluriness so a couple of weeks later I bought the PRO-1150.
The PZ800 has a Anti-reflective screen shield which is a thin coating that has been applied to the surface of the glass. It's only noticeable when the TV is off. In fact, when you're sitting 8 or more feet away there's no way you'd be able to notice the Anti-reflective coating because mine has a few scratches in it (thanks to my cat loving the TV so much) and you've got to be within 3 feet to see them.

The thing that amazed me with the Panny is just how clear the picture was viewing from a wide angle.

Like 57 said, "Provided you don't put the two side-by-side, the 58" Panny is very nice".

And cnet review states: "Yes, again Pioneer's Elite plasmas delivered better performance overall than this (58PZ800), Panasonic's best plasma for 2008, but for all but the most ardent videophiles the extra price to go Elite won't be worth it".

Go with the Panny and put the money you'll save towards a kickass 7.1 surround sound system. The picture is only 1/2 of the package!
2009-03-06 09:24 AM
Terry Fraser
Originally Posted by David Susilo View Post
THe biggest problem of the Panasonic, to me, is the additional layer of "protective" glass. It blurs the picture unless you're 100% smack dab in front of the screen.
I have 2 Panny Plasma's and I certainly dont see any blurriness at any angle. I haven't seen the Pioneers but for me the Panasonic displays are the best I've ever owned. I understand that its important to some people but having to get a bank loan for a TV is just crazy.
2009-03-06 08:41 AM
dm_4u Or you could consider waiting a couple of months to check this baby out:

The new flagship Panasonic VIERA plasma in 2009 is the Z1 series, with a revolutionary one inch thin panel design and Wireless HD connectivity to deliver the ultimate sleek, uncluttered HDTV viewing experience. Also included on the VIERA Z1 is VIERA CAST web menu with the new streaming HD movie rental capability via Amazon Video-on-Demand. The Neo PDP design of the VIERA Z1 produces a brighter picture, deeper blacks, improved native contrast ratio (40,000:1) and Full-Time 1080 TV lines of motion resolution. Other Z1 model features include; 1080p resolution, a THX Certified Display; an Infinite Black panel; 600Hz Sub-field Drive; and VIERA Link, and VIERA Image Viewer for playing back digital still images and AVCHD videos recorded on SD Memory Cards. The Z1 series will be available in the summer of 2009 in the new TC-54Z1, 54-inch class screen size (54" measured diagonally).
2009-03-05 08:29 PM
David Susilo I play Wii all the time. NO problem with both my PRO-1150 and PRO-111.

THe biggest problem of the Panasonic, to me, is the additional layer of "protective" glass. It blurs the picture unless you're 100% smack dab in front of the screen. I used to own the 50" 800U and I can't stand the bluriness so a couple of weeks later I bought the PRO-1150.
2009-03-05 08:42 AM
Khorn I bought the PRO 111FD and I think it is the best TV purchase I ever made!

On one short wall end of the room there are three large picture windows covered by wooden Venitian type blinds. The light also falls on the wall where the tv is mounted. There is no problem with light as far as the widow goes even with the blinds partially open. Maybe in the summer when there is more direct sunlight I might need additional window covering at the brightest times but, at this point I doubt it.
2009-03-02 01:19 PM
bholl2 I just joined this forum as I too narrowed my choices to the exact 2 TV's being discussed here. Wondering if Khorn chose one of these yet and thoughts on it. Where I live, I am not able to actually see these displays and rely on reviews. If the TV was not always in a dark room, but one which had natural daylight coming in 2 patio doors on the wall the TV would be mounted influence a decision in either way. Would playing a Wii be a bad idea on either of these TV's due to burn in risk. Right now I am pretty sure I will be ordering the Pioneer 111fd. THanks for any input.:
2008-12-12 08:42 AM
Civuck Law of diminishing returns comes into effect big time with these higher end displays...
2008-12-12 08:08 AM
Paul Clancy If dimensionality, pop, depth that cr can bring is important to you then kuro is the best. Also I believe it has superior processing and user controls. If size is more important go with the panny.
2008-12-11 07:07 PM
1tribeca Excellent call 57. All true as far as I can see. Elite is the best, but at a premium correct. I bought the Elite 60" Sig Monitor and so glad I stretched my bank acc't to do so. Still blown away evey time I sit down in front of it!

After all, you will have only ONE of the TVs in your house ie. nothing to compare it to day in, day the Panny is fine if you want the bigger size. If you demand absolute picture quality etc. then go for the 50" Elite.

Put it this way...I've seen the new 55" Sony XBR8...sure, great for an LCD but still can't match an Elite 60" and you're giving up 5" of size for the same cash. No thanks.
2008-12-11 04:50 PM
57 Provided you don't put the two side-by-side, the 58" Panny is very nice. I've optimized both and in a totally dark room there is some difference, however, under most conditions, most people will be perfectly happy with the Panny.

I recently optimized a $20k+ 65" B&O TV and the PRO-141 60" Pioneer and yes they were nice, but were they worth the additional $? For people with a lot of money, or who want the absolute best, I guess the answer is yes, but I believe that for most people the answer is probably no.

This is not that much different than someone saying Bryston amps are great - yeah, sure, but... $.
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