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2008-12-26 05:23 PM
darklord
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Originally Posted by morkys View Post
Can the 5080 be had anywhere in Canada anymore? Is it generally thought to be better than the Panny 50" PX80?
5080 has disappeared from the store front since late Sep 08 and yes, it is much better than the PX80.
2008-12-26 01:57 PM
morkys Can the 5080 be had anywhere in Canada anymore? Is it generally thought to be better than the Panny 50" PX80?
2008-09-17 12:33 AM
kev604
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Kev604: i asked and basically, both tvs were simply opended and put up on the wall as is. You have a 50px60, have you looked at the 5080 as compared to yours?
No, I've never done any sort of a comparison with the 50PX60 versus 5080 because I have no interest to change displays. I'm sure the 5080 looks very good.
I'm very happy with my 50PX60. I've never had one single issue with the TV since I bought it. IMO the PQ of the 50PX60 is as good if not better then many of the newer TV's out there.
2008-09-16 09:12 PM
753951
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Originally Posted by QuickSilver View Post
I do not know your location...but any respectable dealer shoudl eb able to do that for you if they have both sets in stock.
I'm in Calgary. See, that's the problem. Try looking here for set that's 60"+ and combine that with respectable and multiple brands and your result set is aproaching zero at speed of light. I'm all ears if anyone has suggestions.
2008-09-16 05:07 PM
sulfur Re: sharpness. That I don't know. At the store, if they have a proper demo, I would watch the TV at roughly my home viewing distance and see if I like the PQ. Keep in mind that since you won't have both TVs side by side at home, it's a non issue unless you know for a fact it will bother you not choosing the other TV. For me personally my definition of "value" is not to pick the perfect TV, but to buy one that has good balance between overall PQ & price, which is why I chose the 5080 & am willing to accept any shortcomings of the TV.

I'm not sure if the Pannys are indeed sharper, and I'm not sure if too much sharpness will cause fatiguing when watching it for hours. Since you're into home audio, a few yrs ago for the same price I had a choice between a Marantz 7300ose & a Denon 2803 AVR. I liked both, but when paired with B&Ws, the Denon produces crispy sharp sound, which is great for HT but was very fatiguing to me after listening to music for a while. The Marantz was much more musical but for HT the centre channel dialogs seems a bit muddled vs the Denon. I chose the Marantz and never looked back. The difference is too small for me to lose any sleep over. I also did a lot of A/B comparison with speakers, while I liked the 805 a lot more than my 603, again the difference is not large enough for me to fork out a few $k more.

I think if you do decide to upgrade, you will be happy with both the Pioneer 5080 and the Panny 50PZ800. You can't really go wrong with either choice IMHO.
2008-09-16 04:29 PM
jvincent It could just be that one panel has NR turned on and/or the sharpness may be set differently.
2008-09-16 03:50 PM
NickL Sulfur, thanks for your response. I love to have the latest stuff except not willing to pay the early adopter prices....and im like that with my bb, home theatre, etc etc....and its usually easier when I get corroboration...

another thing btw....we noticed the pioneer pics tend to be smooth/soft compared to pannys...sharper edge....and a retailer said thats generally the diff and its personal preference....altho a better video processor produced softter images.....

Is that correct?
2008-09-16 02:07 PM
sulfur Brewster123: IMHO at >10' you should be looking at an 58" ideally, but that's just me. Anyhow I am at 9' and wanted the 58" PZ800 initially but I'm not willing to pay the $3k price diff. My belief is in say 5 yrs time I should be able to buy a 65" for cheap. There is a well known distance chart on some website that will show you at distance X whether you will see the benefits of 1080P over 720P. Everyone's different but for me I think a 5080 at $1388 is the best overall value play out there right now and that's why I bought mine over any of the Pannys. I've mentioned this in another thread, for the price of a 50" PZ800 even at 20% discount, I picked up the 5080 + PS3 + glass stand + $299 (refundable as Visions credit) extended warranty for 4 yrs.

Don't get me wrong, I know my stuff and I'm usually VERY picky about PQ & resolution, which is why I still use a 22" pro series CRT monitor for PC (gaming & photo editing) and not trade for an LCD panel (which I think all suck compared to CRT, except the weight & dimensions of course). But to me, for a PC hookup, 1024x768 (ie 720P) vs 1920x1080 (ie 1080P) *is* a big deal, but watching SD/HD/BD & PS3 gaming *at my viewing distance* is not. Besides, even if 1080P is sharper *at my viewing distance*, there are times when I absolutely do not want to see a ball player's sweat or an actress's pimples or poor makeup at closeup that clearly.

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NickL: At the end of the day only you can decided if you should pull the trigger, but let me try to be neutral and poke your brains a bit more.

Financially, assuming you are not skipping meals or selling a kidney or charging it on a high interest credit card, there is nothing wrong with upgrading to the 5080. I think everyone here will agree it is definitely a better TV and there is "value" there in upgrading. But whether that "value" is worth $900 can only be decided by you. I'll go back to the car analogy. Driver A likes to drive his car to the ground, B likes to lease & trade up every 3-4 yrs, C likes to trade up every year. There is nothing wrong with all 3 drivers, and to them, they chose the best experience & enjoyment for themselves and think it's money well spent. You have to decided if the $900 upgrade is a value play in your situation.

Technologically, I don't think the 5080 is the best TV ever made. But, every so often, a brand will manage to put together a great product at a great price point, and I think the 5080 happens to be one of them, especially at the current fire sale prices. The trend of technology is, tech gadgets will always be better & cheaper & with more bells/whistles if you wait longer, and you *cannot* ever future proof anything or all R&D engineers will be out of work (I'm an engineer, can't everyone tell by now? ). Look at PC desktop & laptops, look at digital cameras & DSLRs, look at cell phones, look at camcorders, etc etc. I don't know if 1440P will ever mature, but I'm sure some people at an R&D site somewhere is already developing the next generation BD/1080P killer. Technology advances, and as one standard matures & saturates the market, a new one will emerge to take it's place & lure people to upgrade & spend more for the better. Ten yrs ago people thought DVD is the best format ever! The next big TV evolution may not be on resolution, it could be organic LED (OLED) for the masses, or something even more advanced that will enable manufacturers to make razor thin TVs. Who knows.

As for comparing models side by side, like other posters said, I wouldn't bother unless I'm sure they are fully calibrated and have the appropriate signal feed. I went to the local FS a while back when the PZ800 came out to check out its physical appeal. They happend to have the 50" PX80, 50" PZ85, 50" PZ800, and HD5080 side by side playing the same feed. And I *cannot* tell out of the 4 which one is better. All 4 looked just as good (or bad) in their setup.
2008-09-16 10:39 AM
QuickSilver I do not know your location...but any respectable dealer shoudl eb able to do that for you if they have both sets in stock.
2008-09-16 10:37 AM
jvincent
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Honest or not it is equally worthless comment. Where is he supposed to find those 2 sets "properly calibrated" for comparison?
If you are dealing with a "high-end" AV retailer I would expect the sets to be properly calibrated. It's actually not that hard to do.

Side by side comparisons are only meaningful if an attempt has been made to set the two TVs up comparably otherwise you could be comparing one set in torch mode with sharpness cranked to one that had the contrast turned way down.
2008-09-16 10:30 AM
753951
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Originally Posted by QuickSilver View Post
Go to a good dealer and ask to see the set side by side with another you are considering and then ask for the remotes and do some of your own calibration.
Do you have suggestion for good dealer who would be willing to move TVs around the store to allow for side-by-side comparison?
2008-09-16 10:27 AM
753951
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Originally Posted by kev604 View Post
Were the 2 sets properly calibrated? If not then to be honest with you it's a worthless comparison.
Honest or not it is equally worthless comment. Where is he supposed to find those 2 sets "properly calibrated" for comparison? I read comments like this on many boards but not single poster has yet advised how to get into position to do proper comparison. Are you suggesting to purchase both (many?) TV, break them in for few hundred hours each, then call certified calibrator (and pay hundreds of dollars) and then express his opinion about them?
Or, are we all going to rehearse opinion of 3 people in the world who were able to do the above?
2008-09-16 10:21 AM
NickL Sulfur....any comments to my response to your last response??
2008-09-16 10:20 AM
NickL Kev604: i asked and basically, both tvs were simply opended and put up on the wall as is. You have a 50px60, have you looked at the 5080 as compared to yours?
2008-09-16 07:52 AM
QuickSilver I just got the 5080 last night. I upgraded from a 42" Sony RPLCD and was blown away by the picture of my Bell HD when I watched the Terminator last night on Fox. Out of the box I changed the picture type to standard and left it there for now. I will begin to tweak tonight but first viewing was very very nice. I sit 10-11 feet from the set and have no regrets going to the 5080 even at 720p. Let your eyes do the decision making for you. Go to a good dealer and ask to see the set side by side with another you are considering and then ask for the remotes and do some of your own calibration.
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