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2017-11-16 07:11 PM
rob50312
ASTC 3.0 Phoenix Arizona

9 stations in Phoenix have agreed to start 3.0 together and be on air by this April.This will be test model of how 3.0 and 1.0 lighthouse will work together.
2017-11-16 06:27 PM
rob50312
ASTC 3.0 FCC approved

US broadcasters can switch to 3.0 as long as their 1.0 signal is maintained by another broadcaster/sub channeled.
2017-11-15 07:47 PM
rob50312
Phoenix ASTC 3.0 2018

The Networks have agreed to start 3.0 broadcasting in Phoenix.FCC votes tomorrow.
2017-11-12 03:30 PM
Satellite97 The 3.0 standard is still years from a widespread rollout, but the countdown has officially begun.

It is not backward compatible, so broadcasters will have to simulcast in the current 1.0 during the transition. MVPDs must continue to carry ATSC signals but don't have to carry the new 3.0 signals.

ATSC 3.0 is the new broadcast transmission standard that will allow TV stations to do video on demand, other interactive services, provide 4K video, and more.
2017-11-12 02:57 PM
ExDilbert The last set I purchased doesn't have a tuner. I use an HTPC with PVR software and a PC tuner to record OTA. Recordings can be watched using media players or on smart TVs with network playback capabilities. DLNA enabled TV tuners such as a HDHomerun can be used to watch live TV using DLNA media players or on smart TVs with DLNA enabled apps. That way the tuner can be upgraded as needed at a much lower price than replacing the entire TV.
2017-11-12 11:40 AM
rob50312 FCC is voting on approval NOV 16 for ASTC 3.0.It does seem like some US broadcasters want it ASAP.Most of the repack US stations are purchasing 3.0 compatible equipment.Makes sense to wait it out for new TV if you use OTA .
2017-11-12 09:01 AM
Paolo I remember when everyone wanted to Future Proof when changing from NTSC to ATSC 1.0 and pretty much everyone owns at least one ATSC TV in their house. Even if a TV is released with ATSC 3.0, it might take a decade for networks to upgrade their transmitters, cameras, studios and their master controls to support it, it was a big investment back in the day and a lot of networks have not been able to be profitable after such heavy investment. I don't think everything should be in 4K UHD, maybe sports and movies, everything else is fine in HD
2017-11-11 11:58 PM
ProjectSHO89 You'd have to go to S. Korea for one right now.

Since the standards are not yet finalized, you're premature.
2017-11-11 09:55 PM
JJMoney
4KTV with ATSC3.0 Tuner

Curious if anyone has seen any 4KTV?s on the market that have a ATSC3.0 tuner built-in. I?m in the market for a new TV but I haven?t found any that offer this yet - I?d like to future proof myself a bit since it seems some of the U.S. broadcasters will be pushing to start adopting this standard in 2018.

Wondering if anyone has any info.
2016-05-12 07:20 AM
mugging
CNET ATSC 3.0 article

ATSC 3.0: What you need to know about the future of broadcast television - CNET
2016-04-29 09:11 PM
majortom here is another public notice from the FCC...
http://transition.fcc.gov/Daily_Rele...A-16-451A1.pdf

I almost wish they would just get off the North American high horse, bite the bullet and scrap the entire ATSC thing just make everyone use DVB-T2 like everywhere else in the world. Would save broadcasters and consumers money in the long run, as the hardware is already out there on both ends and is dirt cheap in comparison... rather than redesigning a new system every 10 years...in the end making us pay a premium because we have to be "different".
2016-04-25 05:25 PM
ExDilbert ATSC 3.0 may not even be mandated for broadcasters in the US or Canada. UHDTV is not a must have by any means. It may be mandated for TV receivers and implemented by broadcasters if and when desired.
2016-04-25 05:07 PM
rob50312
ASTC 3.0 internet streaming ability

ASTC 3.0 has live streaming simulcasting capability and multiple transmitters abilities.So the US stations will likely be forced to geo.block their internet feed and if they deploy the low power/multiple transmitter approach we may loss all US OTA access that we now have.Or they may stick with the single big tower transmission.In Canada a non mandated transmission change will likely not be deploted as the providers what you to buy their services.
2016-04-25 11:32 AM
audacity
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Originally Posted by Wayne
But I guess it is just too hard to change broadcasting standards in short periods of time.
Exactly. Because when you do those sorts of "cut-over" transitions, everyone with the old gear is immediately left out in the cold. I suppose they could setup new UHD channels that broadcast at the same time as the old HD channels. But then that's sitting on extra spectrum unnecessarily.

I don't think we'll see ATSC3, or whatever, for a good decade from now.

Blu-ray discs also have a similar "cut over" problem to the new 4k format. I fully expect all future physical formats to be stillborn, but for different reasons than the "cut over" problem.

Ultimately, streaming is the best option for integrating the latest tech. When your piece of equipment (Apple TV, smart TV, or whatever) connects to a service like Netflix, they can do the protocol negotiation thing and send the highest quality format that both the client and the server supports.

At the end of the day though, I don't perceive much of a difference between 1920x1080 and 3840x2160 unless I'm really close to the TV set. I don't see this resolution improvement as a "must have" upgrade unless you have a really large TV, or you sit really close to it.

The main thing that I'm looking forward to in future formats are: eliminating interlaced video, 10 bit color, and higher frame rates. If we could get 1920x1080, progressive scanned @ 60fps with 10 bit color, I think that would be sufficient for most scenarios.
2016-04-24 11:01 PM
ExDilbert It took about 10 years to transition from analog to ATSC. At that pace, it could take until 2026 to transition to ATSC3. It does look like ATSC2 is going to be skipped.

The other question to ask is whether there will be any demand for ATSC3. OTA stations are being squeezed out of the UHF spectrum used by ATSC and VHF is less than ideal. In a few years, there may not even be enough spectrum to implement ATSC3 in major markets. In addition, younger viewers are ignoring traditional broadcasting in favour of streaming. Even traditional TV viewers are opting for OTT services. By 2026, OTA may be obsolete.
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