: In HD: Lost Season 5 Discussion


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jayoldschool
2009-02-27, 01:43 PM
- Jeremy Bentham has a Canadian passport but it has a 10 year expiry, rather than 5 years

First thing my wife noticed, too. I, of course, was too busy examining the passport for "the numbers"... lol

rvs007
2009-02-27, 01:58 PM
Pretty sure there was a driver in the car, when she looked back..Could be wrong, not sure Kate would take the child out that late at night.

Kate was driving the car.

denben73
2009-02-27, 02:02 PM
First thing my wife noticed, too. I, of course, was too busy examining the passport for "the numbers"...

LOL

I have to second that completely...;)

MCI
2009-02-27, 02:52 PM
Kate was driving the car.
When she made the comment , did they not pan to the car, and the was another person if the front?

ryoung
2009-02-27, 02:53 PM
Pretty sure there was a driver in the car, when she looked back..Could be wrong, not sure Kate would take the child out that late at night.

Aaron was likely in the car...she wouldn't have left him alone at the house.

sbri7
2009-02-27, 03:27 PM
Interesting "Easter eggs" for the last episode :

http://www.buddytv.com/slideshows/lost-easter-eggs-for-episode-57-quotthe-life-and-death-of-jeremy-benthamquot-60272.aspx

oilblue
2009-02-27, 07:03 PM
The only thing that has been nagging me is all that dynamite on the ship; it didn't serve any purpose other than to keep the survivors on the island. Which isn't so "good".

This is from memory, so there's a chance I've got this isn't accurate.

Explosives on the ship doesn't necessarily mean Widmore had deadly intentions for everyone. They did need something to capture Ben, and I'm sure Widmore is quite familiar with Ben's persuasive abilities.

Also, Ben convinced Michael to be on the ship as a saboteur to protect the island (given that the ship was primarily looking for Ben, it was certainly in Ben's self interest to stop them). Now, based on my memory (uh oh)...didn't Michael say he was there to sink the boat? (and die with it) Some of that C4 could have been Michael's doing.

More importantly, if the purpose was to kill everyone there to ensure the fake crash site stayed a mystery, why would Widmore send a ship at all? Why not just leave them stranded? Or start killing them as soon as they're encountered. As it was, the mercenary left that as a last resort (detonator tied to his heartbeat). Upon hearing that, Ben made sure the guy died (stabbed him several times), and by extension, Ben killed everyone on the ship...and he thought nothing of it. He's clearly a psycho.

Whether blowing up the ship was Widmore's order or not, I have no idea. Point is, they saved that option until the very end. By then, Ben had warped the Oceanic crew into fighting the crew on the ship. Not too surprising the crew's reaction was to return fire...

Anyway, just saying the presence of C4 on that ship could easily fit Widmore's explanation (looking for Ben, had to get Ben off the island, etc.). It's not like they could just walk up and grab him.

The one thing that was never clear at all: why was Widmore after Ben in the first place? Well, that's come to light as well:
- Widmore was on the island in the past. Not only that, but he was an "Other" way back when.
- according to Widmore, Ben tricked Charles to get him off the island. No verification of that yet, but it does fit Ben's personality.

I'm still with theory that Ben's a master manipulator. That's he doesn't bat an eye at murder...he's an evil manipulator. Not much grey there to me.

oilblue
2009-02-27, 07:05 PM
When she made the comment , did they not pan to the car, and the was another person if the front?Pretty certain Kate was driving, and was alone (Aaron the possible exception, but there's a chance she didn't want him to see Jack in that state).

As for the writing, I think it's been excellent. Definitely back to being my favourite show.

rvs007
2009-02-28, 12:13 AM
When she made the comment , did they not pan to the car, and the was another person if the front?
No, if you watch that scene again, she gets into the driver side and drives away. No one else is in the car.

Steve0
2009-02-28, 08:30 AM
No, if you watch that scene again, she gets into the driver side and drives away. No one else is in the car.
At the time we didnt know who the 6 people that got off the island were. When I first watched that scene I thought she was refering to sawyer (They were together again).

I think that is what the writers wanted you to believe at the time, but she was really just refering to Aaron.

sharpnfuzzy
2009-02-28, 09:47 AM
I think that Ben really wants (or needs) to be the leader of the others and will stop at nothing to eliminate his competition.

Remember that Whidmore said that he was in fact the leader of the others until he was exiled by Ben. Also, when Ben found out that Locke was pegged as the next leader he tried to kill him (he shot him and left him for dead in the mass grave).

When Locke made a miraculous recovery, Ben probably realized that he can't kill Locke while on the island, the island won't let him. So the only way to be leader is to get Locke to leave the island and kill him then. Ben knew that Locke was against anyone leaving, and that Locke would most likely be the one sent by Christian to bring them back and that's when Ben would get his chance to strike.

That's why Ben was watching the Oceanic 6, not to protect them from Whidmore but to find Locke.

Larry
2009-02-28, 10:51 AM
Seems plausible - but then why did Ben insist on bringing Locke back to the Island ? He must have known that Locke would come back to life.

MCI
2009-02-28, 11:53 AM
At the time we didnt know who the 6 people that got off the island were. When I first watched that scene I thought she was refering to sawyer (They were together again).

I think that is what the writers wanted you to believe at the time, but she was really just refering to Aaron.
Thanks for clearing that up.

oilblue
2009-02-28, 03:57 PM
Seems plausible - but then why did Ben insist on bringing Locke back to the Island ? He must have known that Locke would come back to life.
Well, I don't think we can assume Ben knew John would come back to life. Even if he thought there was a chance, that would be dwarfed by Ben's overriding desire to get back to the island. Thus, Ben's main purpose for having Locke on the plane was to increase the odds of a successful return to the island. I doubt Ben thought Locke was much of a threat in a coffin. Ben might have even assumed Locke's body was necessary to convince the Others he was suitable to lead again (remember the Others wouldn't accept Locke until he killed his father). Plus, there's a huge difference between Locke's numerous recoveries on the island--Locke was still alive in every one of those circumstances.

So, I agree with sharpnfuzzy (well said BTW).

Going forward, I think...Ben and Locke are in a different time line than the 5 Returnees (Hurley, Jack, Kate, Sayid, and Sun). They flashed out (Caesar saw Hurley and a few others disappear in the flash), while Locke and Ben have stayed in the present/current/Caesar's time line. I assume that means the flashes aren't over yet for the Oceanic survivors. Finally, given Walt's dreams, I presume Ben will convince the Ajira (sp?) survivors that Locke is a serious threat of some sort (he'll realize he can't kill Locke himself...but perhaps other people can...). Even if they're unable to harm Locke, Ben will have a new group of people to lead (and manipulate). Things could escalate in a hurry.

jumpy27
2009-02-28, 04:30 PM
To answer your going forward:

I thought that Locke stopped the flashes by turning the wheel, "lockeing" it in place. Wasn't the "loose" wheel causing the flashes?

How do you blue text out so others can't read it?

PFD
2009-02-28, 04:36 PM
Jumpy you write (spoiler)text here (/spoiler) but use hard brackets [ and] instead of the curved ones I used.

I think the island is no longer time shifting. Locke stopped that. I agree with the hypothesis that the two groups are on two different time zones; but that probably has to do with the fact that they didn't bring everybody on the plane, and didn't replicate the original crash perfectly.

Or maybe the pilot intentionally crashed the plane. I think Locke's group are in the present; whereas Jack's group are in the past.

NB Josh
2009-03-01, 06:41 PM
'A' will air Lost in pre-release at 7pm ET/PT and 8pm AT this week. So we get it 2 hours earlier than normal. Also next week, March 11, Lost will be a repeat.

denben73
2009-03-01, 07:22 PM
Hey thanks.:)

When setting up our recordings for the week, I was looking at 9PM for Lost in the guide and saw something else in its place and thought "Great...there goes the last minute for his week since we have to watch it on ABC.";)

NB Josh
2009-03-01, 07:30 PM
Yea its because the season premiere of America's Next Top Model is 2 hours long.

oilblue
2009-03-02, 02:39 AM
I thought that Locke stopped the flashes by turning the wheel, "lockeing" it in place. Wasn't the "loose" wheel causing the flashes?
Yeah, the wheel was skipping and off axis. However, I don't think Locke completely eliminated the effect. If the flashing stopped, it wouldn't have been so crucial to return and save everyone (i.e. Locke leaving would have been good enough). Instead, Locke left with instructions to bring everyone back (to stop the flashing), and that he'd die in the effort. At least that's my recollection.