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NB Josh 2009-03-19, 07:38 AM It could have been Claire. The question I have is was she sent back to 1977 too? Or did Christian save her from that by taking her into the jungle with him. With the exception of Sawyer, we haven't really seen anybody who was on the Fight 815 since Locke "locked" the island in place.
So why did Sun end up in the present, while the rest of the Oceanic 6 ended up in the past?
oilblue 2009-03-19, 06:17 PM I've had the theory--just wish I had posted it before last night's episode--that we didn't really have any proof that Charles Widmore was out to annihilate the island, including everyone from Oceanic. Essentially all we had was Ben's story that that was their plan. Well, why should we believe a word Ben says?
OK, maybe I'm just looking for things to support this theory, but in last night's episode, I'm sure I heard this:
Lapidus reminded Sun not to trust Ben. In particular, that the freighter had one purpose: to get Ben.
Anyone else notice that quote?
NB Josh 2009-03-19, 06:26 PM They have constantly said their "primary" objective was to get Ben. I think Faraday said something like that last season. I never thought they planed to kill everybody on the island.
oilblue 2009-03-19, 06:28 PM So why did Sun end up in the present, while the rest of the Oceanic 6 ended up in the past?
To clock Ben with an oar. :-)
Maybe it's because John didn't visit Sun before the flight? Or that things get messy in Dharma-land so the island was protecting her a bit? I guess we'll find out.
oilblue 2009-03-19, 06:31 PM When Sun is looking at the photo in the building with Frank & Christian, there is a person in the background behind her left shoulder. Is that a crew member, or is it a character - possibly Claire?
I didn't notice who was in the picture, but there were other recruits on the sub. While we don't know what happened to Claire (as NB Josh pointed out), it's doubtful it was Claire simply from the standpoint the other Oceanic survivors would have reacted. So, my guess is: neither blooper nor Claire.
rvs007 2009-03-19, 06:54 PM ^^ cooper83 wasn't referring to who was in the picture, but who was in the Processing Centre at the time when Sun was looking at the picture. There appears to be a figure in the background and the debate right now is it's either a blooper (production member), or it's suppose to be Claire.
NB Josh 2009-03-19, 07:01 PM My thought was that it was because she left the island with her baby, and didn't bring her baby back. Who knows. The sad thing is that she will think Jin is dead (and Ben lied) and Jin will think she is dead. I kind of expecting her to kill Ben soon though since she won't find Jin.
oilblue 2009-03-19, 08:41 PM ^^ cooper83 wasn't referring to who was in the picture, but who was in the Processing Centre at the time when Sun was looking at the picture. There appears to be a figure in the background and the debate right now is it's either a blooper (production member), or it's suppose to be Claire.
Of course. <slaps forehead> What a misread on my part. I doubt it's a blooper, and it could well be Claire.
Christian said Sun has "quite a journey ahead." I wonder if that journey has anything to do with Aaron. They might even use a reunion with Jin as bait/motivation/blackmail...
As for killing Ben, I think that might be where Sayid comes in.
99gecko 2009-03-20, 02:53 PM It could have been Claire. The question I have is was she sent back to 1977 too? Or did Christian save her from that by taking her into the jungle with him.
While we don't know what happened to Claire (as NB Josh pointed out), it's doubtful it was Claire simply from the standpoint the other Oceanic survivors would have reacted. So, my guess is: neither blooper nor Claire.
Yup. However, I have had a suspicion since Claire left with Christian, that she might now be dead; i.e. her appearance in the show since that time (as best as I can recall), have only been in Kate's dream telling her not to bring the baby back to the island, and with Christian in the cabin - both instances giving the impression of a "spirit" visitation. Of course that could also be intentional misdirection by the writers. :confused:.
With the exception of Sawyer, we haven't really seen anybody who was on the Fight 815 since Locke "locked" the island in place.
I don't understand your statement. Do you mean in the past with Sawyer? Since Locke "locked" the island we have seen many 815 characters; in fact Jin was with Sawyer at the well when Locke "locked" the island, wasn't he?
So why did Sun end up in the present, while the rest of the Oceanic 6 ended up in the past?
Quite simply,... to keep us agonizing ;)
Now for another interesting paradox.... Are any of the time traveller's, by interacting with the younger Ben, going to be responsible for molding Ben into a ruthless SOB, because their interactions with the younger Ben would be based on how they perceived him as an adult? And to add to:
As for killing Ben, I think that might be where Sayid comes in.
What would happen if Sayid tried to kill the younger Ben (circa 1977)? History cannot be erased or prevented according to Faraday, so I doubt he could kill the younger version.
NB Josh 2009-03-20, 03:05 PM I should have said with the exception of Sawyer and Jin. And what I meant is that we haven't noticed anybody else who was on the island, there hasn't even been mention of them. They should be in the past with Sawyer, it is hard to believe that they are just roaming the island in the jungle. It's like the writers wrote out everybody except for the remains of the freighter crew, the 5 that returned, Jin, Sawyer and Juliet. I guess Rose and Bernard are the two people who I am talking about mostly.
NB Josh 2009-03-20, 03:08 PM What would happen if Sayid tried to kill the younger Ben (circa 1977)? History cannot be erased or prevented according to Faraday, so I doubt he could kill the younger version.
Here is the description for the episode two weeks from now, called "Whatever Happened, Happened"
Kate takes drastic measures to save Ben's life when Jack refuses to help.
99gecko 2009-03-20, 06:20 PM They should be in the past with Sawyer, it is hard to believe that they are just roaming the island in the jungle. It's like the writers wrote out everybody except for the remains of the freighter crew, the 5 that returned, Jin, Sawyer and Juliet. I guess Rose and Bernard are the two people who I am talking about mostly.
Yeah Rose and Bernard are the only notable ones (who have names we know, and aren't redshirts (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redshirt_(character))) still alive. Some more were killed when the freighter exploded and the fire arrows attack by the others in one of the time flashes. The remnants are likely sitting on the beach wondering where their food and shelter has disappeared to since they are now in 1977, camping out Robinson Crusoe style :o.
I'm curious to where Daniel is. I guess we are to assume that he is happily splitting atoms at some mindless job in the DI.
Here is the description for the episode two weeks from now, called "Whatever Happened, Happened"
Reading that is eerily Déjà vu. Reminds me in a weird way of the circumstances surrounding Ben's surgery.... man, that seems like ages ago.
wprager 2009-03-20, 08:30 PM Daniel must behiding out on the smaller island (the Hydra station). Caesar found some of his notes there.
I didn't notice anyone in the room even when I re-watched the scene -- and I have HD. However, the screen caps make me think it's Charlotte, not Claire.
mrhooie 2009-03-21, 11:16 PM you know my wife brought up an interesting thing
when Kate, Jack and a few more were on the dock and Michael turned them over to get him and walt off the island, there was the same white light at the other's dock
how does that play into this
rsambuca 2009-03-21, 11:26 PM That white light was caused when John Locke let the countdown timer get to zero. Desmond then fixed it by turning the failsafe key.
Lindsay649 2009-03-26, 06:00 PM Just a little bit too much. Liked it more when you did not have to think about every scene and every word spoken.....this is not entertainment any longer but a psychology 101 course. Waiting for my favourite armchair to become part of the aversion therapy technique!
99gecko 2009-03-27, 01:13 PM On second thought, I doubt that Ben will ever be killed off until the end of the series (if then). What would the writers do without their enigmatic antagonist?
Younger Ben got shot, but I suspect he will survive.
gbamber 2009-03-27, 05:28 PM Being shot by Sayid undoubtedly helps turn Ben evil.
NB Josh 2009-03-27, 05:41 PM He has to survive, because he is still alive 30 years later.
Sayid stayed true to his promise though and I don't know whats going to happen to him now.
I would have loved to see Sayid shooting child Ben appear in the form of a flashback a couple seasons ago, that would have been great.
The question now is where does Sayid go? He could go to the others I suppose, but they don't know him yet, although he knows who Richard is.
painter 2009-03-27, 09:46 PM Sayid could become like the french woman( I forget her name right now)and live on his own.
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