It's also showing CHEK-TV on 13.1; CKVU on 10.1; CIVI on 53.1....those aren't showing up here?

Yep, TVFool.com uses the FCC's database, which has screwy Canadian data, so I advise people to verify their results against the Industry Canada database:

http://www.user.dccnet.com/jonleblanc/Canada_TV_Stations/

Then you'll have the exact situation. :) As for Mt. Seymour, it is on the North Shore with the antenna farm being on the south-southwest slope.

levibluewa
Now that is nice to see the great improvement for you I must admit I was awaiting your new installation also as I was sure you'd get the full package and you did well done.:cool:

levibluewa,

Are you getting anything from Seattle with the 4228? Also how does it do on high VHF, in other words how do 8 and 10 analog look? I'm thinking of getting this antenna too, but I'm skiddish because CHAN is supposed to go back to channel 8 in 2011.

Alex, nothing from Seattle. We have hills behind us to the South, so its Vancouver and satellite :) Many years ago we had a 30' antenna on the house and got a very snowy picture of analog 4, 5, and 7, so there's no hope with digital. We're actually in a "white zone" which permits us to get distant network service from New York and SF in SD via DISH.

Analog 17 is very clear. I thought CHAN was 22.1 or 22.2 remapped to 8.1? Anyway, I couldn't get CHAN before, now showing 87-92. I'm very happy with the results for the Vancouver HD. Anyone know when CHEK 6, CKVU 10, and CHUM are in line for digital or HD? I noticed they're listed on TVFool.

Also Alex, if you have a clear shot of Seattle you may be able to pick up something...it's a trial and error sort of thing. Friends of ours use to live in Deming and they were able to pick up some of the Seattle signals, of course again that was analog not digital.

..you weren't alone. I was showing a very strong signal strength, but just had black screen...
Count me in. Normally here in North Ana I'm able to get the three BC biggies with little problem - OK, CTV needs a tweak (RS UHF Yagi in the attic for now). But CBC is usually pretty steady. Tonight, they're exactly as described above with the signal strength on my converter box just short of the Blue - usually a solid hit.

Making this even more maddening, tonight (July 12) is Calgary Stampede Showdown Night. That makes it worse (for me).

Just checked the signals with my new antenna....8.1=84-87; 32.1=76, and 2.1=76 with NO SIGNAL!!!! 10pm Sunday 7-12-09

The DTV transition date in Canada is August 31, 2011. On that date every full-power station in Canada is required to be digital -- at that point CKVU-DT, CHEK-DT, CHNM-DT, CHNU-DT, and CBUFT-DT should all be on the air ... unless the Canadians delay their DTV transition, which is certainly possible. Canadian broadcasters are hurting for cash right now and may not have the funds to replace their analog transmission equipment.

For me, CHAN-DT is the proverbial turd in the punch bowl. CHAN-DT is on UHF channel 22 right now, but after the Canadian DTV transition in 2011 it is moving to channel 8 in the high VHF band with a lower ERP, which means I'll need an antenna with really good high-band VHF to receive it. I may also have a shot at getting KCPQ-DT where I live (the Marietta area at the top of Bellingham Bay), and they're going to be on high VHF on channel 13 (if they aren't already). I'm thinking about the AntennaCraft HBU44, but I can't find many reviews on it and I'm concerned that I would lose performance with a combo antenna.

My other thought is to try and combine the CM4228 (which I know is a good UHF antenna) with the Winegard YA-1713(which I know is a good high-band VHF antenna), but combining two antennas can be tricky. I've read some reviews that say the reflector on the CM4228 is a high-band VHF antenna and others that say the antenna is UHF only. I'd be churious if levibluewa can tell me what he sees on channel VHF channel 8 and 10 (CHAN and CKVU analog), because I'd like to know if the antenna performs well in the high VHF band.

What would you guys do if you were me?

About CHAN-DT (Global) I intend to intervene in their license application to demand a higher post-transition ERP than what they're suggesting. I'm hopeful that other Canadians in the Vancouver area will do the same.

Alex1978, are you handy with tools? A GH with NARODs would get you the VHF-HI and UHF stations. There are some good commercial antennas for channels 7-51 from Winegard listed on the Antenna Chart. --->

with the 4228. 8 and 10 are fuzzy, not unwatchable. 6 is unwatchable. 17 is very clear. All without redirecting the antenna from Vancouver.

Thanks for the info levibluewa. I guess that means the 4228 does have some high VHF capability, which explains why you can get 8 and 10 analog but not 6 analog. Channel 6 is really crappy real estate anyway, even if you had a low-band VHF antenna, the adjacent channel interference from KUOW (88.5 FM) is so strong that it's almost impossible to get CHEK 6 unless you've got a really good FM trap. Thankfully when CHEK-DT goes on the air that won't be an issue anymore :)

If you can get K62FS (the analog KSTW repeater in Pt. Townsend on channel 62), it's signal is hit and miss in Bellingham, you'll probably be able to get KSTW-DT when they upgrade the Pt. Townsend repeater to digital and move it to channel 11. I looked at the map on their application and there is going to be some better propagation towards Bellingham, but there are still terrain issues between Port Townsend and some parts of Bellingham. But if you can get 62 now, you should be able to get the new 11 for sure when it goes on the air.

Stampeder, Thanks for the links. Just out of churiosity what criteria was used to rank the antennas on the antenna chart link you posted? I've found an interesting FCC study you (and for that matter everybody else) might want to look at: http://www.fcc.gov/oet/info/documents/reports/SHVERA/SHVERA-FCC-05-199.pdf

I guess that means the 4228 does have some high VHF capability

I would not count on the ability of the 4228 to pull in high VHF signals. I have one, and I could not use it to pull channels 9 and 11 from Seattle. I got nothing with it. I remounted my old Radio Shack VHF/UHF combo antenna and got a great signal from 9 and 11. I live about 31 miles north of Seattle, with good line of sight.
The 4228 pulled in channel 13 just fine, and the signal strength did not change for that one when I added the old RS antenna.

Thanks Whidbey,

Up here in Bellingham I'll need really good high VHF antenna for KSTW, KCPQ, and eventually CHAN. I'm thinking about the AntennaCraft HBU44 or the Winegard HD7698P as a combo. Although, separate antennas might not be as difficult to combine as I thought if I use the CM7777. Apparently it has separate inputs for UHF and VHF. I wonder if anybody here has used it to combine separate UHF and VHF antennas and what the results were? Does there have to be an equal cable-run between the CM7777 and the antennas like there is if you use a conventional combiner?

Guess we don't have to worry about that happening anymore, do we?

funny you should ask!!!!I just solved that problem today.

Originally I plugged my old Radio Shack VU120 into the VHF input (after opening the box and switching it to "separate") and found that it destroyed the UHF signal input from the CM4228HD. I contacted Channel Master Tech Support, but discovered the solution on my own. The RS antenna has a UHF bow-tie feature, so I went out and disabled that part of the antenna. As soon as I did that no more conflict and all is well. Good picture reception of CHECK6 (at least till Aug. 31) and CKVU10. And the 4228 pointed towards Vancouver gets a good signal for 2.1,8.1 and 32.1. Also picking up 17, 26 and 42.

Alex1978, I'm using a Cm7777 to combine stacked Cm4228s and a Winegard YA-1713 which have unequal coax feeds. I don't think it's a problem with the amplifier but I do think the YA-1713 is not not doing a good job for KCTS-9 and KCTS-11; KCPQ-13 comes in great. Still looking for a better VHF-HI antenna.

Levi - I did the same thing when combining using the 7777. I just removed the UHF portion of the RS antenna - the "open allligator mouth" parts. Everything works perfectly. I even get great reception on many Canadian VHF and UHF analog stations. CTV comes in the best.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/32357415@N05/3872571482/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/32357415@N05/3871788105/

links to photo of the CM4228 and the old Radio Shack VU120...I hope the links work :)

Links work, looks like you have one rod on the VHF antenna that could use some adjustment.

It won't stay put :( ...doesn't seem to effect the reception though.