: Building a system - questions


petedran
2008-07-04, 10:54 AM
Doing a preliminary ingredient list for a new pc I plan on building. Haven't paid much attention to hardware in quite a few years. My most intensive need will likely be gaming. Heres an early question? What is the difference between
Intel Core 2 Quad Q6700 Quad Core Processor LGA775 Kentsfield 2.66GHZ 1066FSB 8MB &
Intel Core 2 Quad Q9300 Quad Core Processor LGA775 2.50GHZ 1333FSB 6MB

They both are about the same price. Is one faster and better for certain purposes.

Vexsloth
2008-07-04, 11:19 AM
CPU is not generally a limiting factor in new systems, especially with the latest generation of quad core processors. On my 2 year old system, my dual core AMD rarely exceeds 50% on either CPU when I'm maxing out my graphics capability.... the graphics card will have a larger impact on gaming.

But for what it's worth, the Q9300 is a newer processor design and may perform slightly better, but I would expect that you will not notice a more than 5-10% difference in any given application. It has a faster bus which is generally more important these days than a slightly faster processor.

petedran
2008-07-04, 11:28 AM
Thanks. Will both work on the same motherboard.

recneps77
2008-07-04, 02:41 PM
Both will work on a socket 775 as long as it supports the faster FSB (1333) of the 9300. Otherwise, you'd be better off with the 6700 with its 1033.

JmanBC
2008-07-04, 04:25 PM
If I remember correctly, the Q9300 has slightly better performance despite the lower clock speed (on a 1333FSB board).

I_Want_My_HDTV
2008-07-10, 02:04 AM
Even though the processors are the same price, you will likely find a difference in price for other components. The motherboard and memory required for the Q9300's 1333FSB will likely cost more and be in shorter supply, at least in the near term.

petedran
2008-07-11, 11:20 PM
Here is what I am planning on going with. The total is $1129 before taxes which is a little below my budget. Would appreciate any thoughts on improvements. My use is net surfing, spreadsheet work and newer games. I don't plan on overclocking because I am not comfortable doing it. :eek:.
Questions I have are what version of vista should I get? 32 or 64 bit and why?
The CPU doesn't come with a heat sync so I might get the retail version with the heat sync or should I get an after market?
Have I made any errors matching components?
Any major improvements I could make for minor dollars??
Any and all thoughts appreciated.

Antec Sonata III Black ATX 16IN
Intel Core 2 Quad Q9450 Quad Core Processor LGA775 2.66GHZ Yorkfield 1333FSB 12MB OEM No HSF
ASUS P5Q Pro ATX LGA775 P45 DDR2 2PCI-E16 Crossfire 3PCI-E1 2PCI SATA2 Sound GBLAN eSATA
Corsair XMS2 TWIN2X4096-6400C5 4GB DDR2 2X2GB PC2-6400 DDR2-800 CL 5-5-5-18 240PIN Memory Kit
HIS Radeon HD 4870 750MHZ 512MB GDDR5 PCI-E Dual DVI-I HDCP HDTV Out
Seagate Barracuda 7200.11 3.5IN 500GB SATA2 8.5MS 7200RPM 32MB Cache NCQ Hard Drive
LG GSA-H55L DVD+RW 20X8X16 DVD-RW 20X6X16 DL 10X Lightscribe DVD Writer IDE 2MB Black OEM W/ SW
Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium Edition

I_Want_My_HDTV
2008-07-13, 10:01 AM
I would get a Hitachi P7K 500GB or WD GP 750GB drive. Both are power saving models and quieter than older designs. If you can find one, the Toshiba SH-S203 DVD writers are a bit better than the LG drives. OTOH, you might be better off getting a Blu-ray drive. I've seen the LG Blu-ray readers for about $130-$140. The rest looks very good. If using the on-board audio, you might also want to check out the newer Gigabyte motherboards. They have a better audio chip than the Asus boards.

Arctic Cooling Freezer heat sinks are good for a decent price. I have two and they work well. They do need a fair bit of space but the Antec Sonata III has enough room.

toybox
2008-07-14, 04:19 PM
I'm no expert, but I've been told and read that right now there isn't a real world reason to get the 64bit version of Vista. Mostly because there aren't as many applications that use 64bit, and you wouldn't really notice the difference at this point in time anyway. All you will be doing is fighting for different drivers etc.. when something doesn't work..

I_Want_My_HDTV
2008-07-15, 01:24 PM
64 bit XP is a real PITA at times and support is stopping much sooner than for 32 bit XP. Some apps and hardware don't work, many never will, and drivers are generally available but more difficult to find. I expect 64 bit Vista is similar but at least has some sort of ongoing support from vendors. The next version of Windows may get much better 64 bit support. Older hardware and software will still be an issue though.

recneps77
2008-07-15, 03:42 PM
I have xp x64 working perfectly and I can use all 4GB of my ram ;)
The only thing that is tricky for 64-bit drivers are tv tuners or other specialized equipment (or cheap things that aren't big-brands)
Even Hauppauge (a year ago had almost no 64bit drivers) now has drivers for my tuner.

I_Want_My_HDTV
2008-07-15, 05:17 PM
Here is the score... My scanner only works because I found a hacked driver that someone posted. I have a couple of other pieces of hardware that don't work due to lack of drivers. Yahoo Music Jukebox also doesn't work on 64 bit systems. A number of firewall and AV products don't have 64 bit versions either. Most software and newer hardware is supported though. Otherwise, X64 works well but, apart from the extra available memory, offers little in the way of advantages.

recneps77
2008-07-15, 06:13 PM
Not sure what's so special about those programs you're using, but xp x64 emulates 32 bit EXACTLY.
The only difference is in hardware support (drivers).
Once you have those set up, you can run 99.9% of programs (unless they try and access something they shouldn't, like the 64 bit system folders).
I've only come across one program that wouldnt work and it was the stupid msn/wlm auto installer (which I guess they recently switched to? What happened to downloading an installer and doing it that way?).
Easily fixed by finding an alternate download (install_messenger_nous.exe, as I remembered from the last time i downloaded it).
As for old hardware, ok. Nothing you can do there, because it was made before 64bit os was even thought of for mainstream (besides linux). But anything made in the last 3 years (sometimes older) should have support

I_Want_My_HDTV
2008-07-15, 06:27 PM
I guess Yahoo Music falls under the 0.01%. The rest, including firewalls and AV products (due to their low level O/S access), fall under drivers.

recneps77
2008-07-15, 07:44 PM
I've used 3 different AV programs - which ones didn't work?
Firewalls, can't comment on, though most people use routers these days so that's firewall #1, and windows has another built in. If you have more than that you're either reallllllllllllllly cautious or paranoid ;)

I_Want_My_HDTV
2008-07-15, 09:19 PM
IMHO, Windows Firewall is a piece of garbage (and that's putting it politely.) ZoneAlarm does not support 64 bit XP or Vista. Last time I checked there were others. A hardware firewall, software firewall, AV software, spyware detection software and comprehensive update detection software (not just Windows Update) are considered to be essentials for home PC security these days. You need to be paranoid. Hackers and spammers are trying to hijack your PC for their own use. :eek:

recneps77
2008-07-16, 06:50 PM
Paranoia's nice, but if you "surf smart" you will never* get a virus or spyware.
By "surf smart" I mean
-don't click on the ads "Your computer is infected! Scan now!" or "Free hot XXX!" or " click that email with "check out this pic, you look so funny! lol!!111" or those fake error message Ads. Basically, if you don't know the site or link, don't click it. Google will also help you with this. If someone tells you to visit www.lewl.ca it would probably be a good idea to google it, see what comes up; especially if someone told you what it is: if their description doesn't match, something's fishy.
-don't download anything unless you need it; don't run any program you didnt create, find, or was recommended to you - even then, research the program, find reviews and what people say about it.
-Pretty much all pornographic sites are out to get you. If you're going to visit them, use a computer you don't use for sensitive functions (like banking) or make sure you take every precaution (adblock, noscript, no cache, etc.)
-If it seems too good to be true, it is.

*99.99999% of the time. No guarantees implied ;)

I_Want_My_HDTV
2008-07-17, 12:27 PM
if you "surf smart" you will never* get a virus or spyware.
Some popular legitimate sites have been hijacked and infected with worms and viruses. Malware can enter a PC from a number of sources. Music files, CDs, DVDs, commercial software, emails, Office macros, PDF files and bad TCP/IP packets can all infect PCs. If you don't want malware, better turn off your PC and use a manual typewriter. ;)