I seen a post in here on some advancements the 811 will have.... but I am not sure on the technical side of what was mentioned.....

I have a HDTV now..... and thinking about going with ExpressVu.....

Now, should I "TRY" and be patient for the new set up or just get a 6000 now?

Any info would be great... on helping me decide....

Thanks, Brian

get a 6000 unless you want to wait a year or so.

Especially if you're a sports fan. There's about 3 HD football games on every week! Actually 4 this week, there's a CFL game on too.

And as human said, the new box is a long way off still.

-Sp

Thanks for the replies!

Brian

If your HDTV has DVI input you might be better off waiting. The new BEV receiver should be available about December or January. If your HDTV has only component video inputs you would be better off purchasing the 6000.

Digital RGB Input (DVI w/HDCP) - 1


I guess I have DVI on my Hitachi 51G500..... decisions decisions..... I just sold my 36 inch TV and have the money burning a hole in my pocket... ha ha....




http://www.hitachi.ca/product_details.asp?PID=268&LID=10


Inputs/Outputs


Antenna (RF) Inputs - 2
A/V Inputs (Rear/Front) - 3/1
S-Video Inputs (Rear/Front) - 2/1
Wideband Component Video Inputs - 2 Sets(1080i/720p/540p/480p/480i)
Digital RGB Input (DVI w/HDCP) - 1
Converter Box Output - 1
Monitor A/V Out with S-Video - 1
Variable Audio HiFi Output - 1

Does anyone know "for sure" whether BEV is coming out with a new receiver this year?

I would also like to know if there is anyone out there that knows whether the 811 unit will be able to output throught DVI and S-Video "at the same time"

Yes I realize that it would be the same channel recording...but...without an HD PVR...

The 811 will be available in the US in October. BEV has not yet given a firm date. December or January is a good bet.

Do not know about "DVI and S-Video at the same time". US forums would be a better place to ask since they would have access to one sooner.

Hi,

Yes it will output SD and HD simultaneously.

Kryspy

Well this sounds like my path. I've been waiting for Shaw to get with it but if Bell comes out with this new STB with DVI this winter, I'll be getting that one.

Published US articles suggest that the 811 will sell for $399 USD this month. That would mean, even with a 50% markup, it would sell for no more than $600 CDN. If it has an 8vsb card built in for off-air reception, it will be a bargain at that price. Avoid the 6000. There are just too many glitches, including software glitches. If you have off-air reception using the 8vsb tuner card, the receiver will cut out if you lose your satellite signal due to heavy rain or wet snow. That's one of many 6000 glitches.

Using the DVI out on this new reciever, do you have to have an HDCP input? What if it's DVI without HDCP?

Most receivers and HDTVs with DVI support HDCP. Compatibility may be an issue with some devices. Such issues may not show up for a year or two when broadcasters start making full use of the flags. Using component cables is not a good option since receivers will convert copy protected material to lower resolutions on analog outputs. I would not be concerned unless compatibility issues become apparent.

Using component cables is not a good option since receivers will convert copy protected material to lower resolutions on analog outputs. This was once a rumour, however, the FCC says downrezzing will not be allowed.

The FCC also stated that broadcast flags should basically prevent making a copy of a copy and allow almost everything else to pass. The exception was "premium programming" (like PPV, which you'd need to view live, but since it's PPV, that shouldn't be much of a hardship.)

tvguy,

The 811 OTA reception will cut out due to rain fade or other as well. Echostar, unlike Directv hardware require a satellite signal to allow OTA. This is their way of making sure that a heavily subsidized receiver is not purchased for OTA and neverr subbed.

Kryspy

Using component cables is not a good option since receivers will convert copy protected material to lower resolutions on analog outputs. This was once a rumour, however, the FCC says downrezzing will not be allowed.

The FCC also stated that broadcast flags should basically prevent making a copy of a copy and allow almost everything else to pass. The exception was "premium programming" (like PPV, which you'd need to view live, but since it's PPV, that shouldn't be much of a hardship.)

No one can make a copy off of the analog comonent out anyway - I just don't get the grief with this. I would also assume that regardless of output, an HD PVR would be able to record either (as the material stays within the PVR and can't be copied anyway?).

Jethrogoss,

Good point. Other point is that the 6000 is incapable of downrezzing. It is not designed to and cannot downrez a video output.
SO anyone worried about this occuring should buy a 6000 IRD.

Kryspy

The irony is that downgrading the signal to a lower resolution just makes the signal easier to capture, even if it is slightly lower in quality.

The FCC has ruled that copy protection may not be applied to free-to-air public transmissions. That ruling does not apply to cable channels such as HBO or PPV services which may implement copy protection on their services.

Receivers and equipment that do not recognize copy protection will not downgrade signals if copy protection flags are present.

Receivers and equipment that do recognize digital copy protection will refuse to transmit digital signals to equipment that does not adhere to digital protocols. It will downgrade signals on analog outputs if copy protection flags are present.

I'm still confused about how this copyprotection will be used.

Receivers and equipment that do not recognize copy protection will not downgrade signals if copy protection flags are present.

This is good as I currently have a projector that has a non-HDCP DVI input. But then you mention;

Receivers and equipment that do recognize digital copy protection will refuse to transmit digital signals to equipment that does not adhere to digital protocols. It will downgrade signals on analog outputs if copy protection flags are present.

How will this effect me? Will my projector show an image at all if it is using DVI on an HDCP flagged program?

This will most likely not affect you at all if you are watching free to air broadcast transmissions, such as one of the major networks. It will not affect you if you are using an older HD digital receiver such as a SA3100HD, BEV 6000 or *C 40x/201.

It will likely effect you if you use a newer HD receiver that has a DVI and component outputs and watch HD PPV. It may also affect services such as HD TMN and other HD movie services with newer digital HD receivers. It will definitely affect HD devices such as DVD and HD DVD players that have HD DVI and HD component outputs.