: ON/MI - Windsor, Detroit, Sarnia, Leamington, Chatham - OTA
2009-04-18, 03:02 AM
Hi Nordberg420 and welcome here. First of all, you will not get any CBC HD signals in Chatham. The nearest station for that is in Toronto. Reading through this thread that covers your area will give you a better idea of what to expect. :)
Secondly, since you've built one of those lame coathanger antennas and had some luck you should consider building a proper antenna that will give you much better results:
2009-04-19, 01:29 AM
WPXD-DT seems to have vanished... i have been getting 0-5% signal on it. Apparently i was able to get a signal lock with as little as 20% signal (typically, i need 40% or greater)... is the station off the air again?No, but they haven't moved the transmitter location to Southfield yet.
According to my rig, they are still broadcasting from just north of Chelsea, and I pick them up fine on UHF 31. Not sure when the move will take place.
Also, they have yet to make the move to HD, in spite of the fact a number of other ION stations have gone HD. Maybe they are waiting to move to Southfield first?
2009-04-20, 07:22 PM
my father has a dtv telivision..when turned on it says this..he is on a regular antenna and receives most detroit stations as usual..the problem is he always watched channel 56 (public tv) and now it has gone digital and he does not recive it..can anyone tell me why?..do i need to change some setting in his tv? i am completely new to this as i have had sat tv for a long time
2009-04-20, 07:34 PM
DPTV is using digital channel 43
(virtual sub-channels 56.1, 56.2, or 56.3)
2009-04-21, 06:27 PM
willieg, which city or town are you in?
2009-04-21, 06:50 PM
PS. If anyone wants my US database.
Just write me a personal note. BTW its in .ods format (Open Office format.)Is there a web link to it? :)
2009-04-28, 12:08 AM
Hey guys, I've been to this site a few times and was reading this thread and was just getting overwhelmed! Well I came back decided to register and give it a shot!
I'm in Sarnia and am wondering what channels I may be able to pickup both in SD and HD from both Ontario and the U.S.
I'm not all that great with heights haha, don't have a Tower on the side of my house or anything, but if I had everything all ready in one shot I should be able to get some help putting an external antenna up.
I always like to take advantage of what I can for my money without going overboard, so I guess I'd be looking for the biggest bang for my buck without going after channels that are too far away and pushing my luck, I am really interested in american and HD channels.
being in Sarnia, from what I read in this thread and what I looked at as far as Antenna's, I am pretty far away from Detroit (65 miles roughly), and other US stations - so with that in mind what kind of equipment would I need, without spending alot of money? (ex. rotor, preamp etc) It would be nice to come away getting a nice selection of channels for around $100 or so, but if it was really worth it I could go twice as high (not preferably unless recommended).
Could I mount an antenna on the roof over my shingles or would I need to spend money on a tower, as I might have to put the tower through cement which wouldnt be fun?
Hey thanks for listening and I look forward to being a part of this great site going forward!
2009-04-28, 02:58 AM
Icepik: welcome to the Digital Forums!
Sarnia? not that far at all. You'll get the Detroit locals with a rooftop or attic antenna. if you aim yourself towards the Bluewater bridge/due west, you might even pick up the Flint locals, as well. Currently, no stations in southwestern ontario are operating on digital format, aside from CKXT-DT-3 on channel 19 in London.
The three sweet spots you'll want to aim for are SW towards the Southfield transmitter farm (where most of hte detroit locals, aside from WADL-TV/-DT broadcast from), SE towards Oil Springs (where most of the southwestern ontario locals broadcast from, and W towards Flint.
If you have a directional and rotor (or omnidirectional), your channel lineup should appear like so (using RF channels after june 12, only likely regularly-recievable channels shown):
WJBK-DT 7 (FOX) Detroit
CBET-TV 9 (CBC) Windsor
CFPL-TV 10 (A) London (if CFPL can reach Sanilac County, MI over-the-air, i'm sure you're within range of it)
WJRT-DT 12 (ABC) Flint
WKBD-DT 14 (The CW) Detroit
WSMH-DT 16 (FOX) Flint
CICO-TV-18 18 (TVOntario) London
WMYD-DT 21 (My Network TV) Detroit
WNEM-DT 22 (CBS) Flint
WFUM-DT 28 (PBS) Flint
CIII-TV-29 29 (Global) Oil Springs
WEYI-DT 30 (NBC, The CW/WBSF on DT2) Flint
WPXD-DT 31 (ION Television, Qubo on DT2, ION Life on DT3, Worship on DT4) Ann Arbor (not so sure about this one, but it's supposed to move to WKBD's tower and increase power to 1 megawatt, staying on 31...)
CBLN-TV-2 34 (CBC) Sarnia
WADL-DT 39 (Independent, The WORD Network on DT2) Mount Clemens, MI/Detroit, MI
WXYZ-DT 41 (ABC, Retro TV Net. on DT2, Weather Radar on DT3) Detroit
CKCO-TV-3 42 (CTV) Oil Springs
WTVS-DT 43 (PBS, PBS Kids on DT2, Create on DT3) Detroit
WWJ-DT 44 (CBS) Detroit
WDIV-DT 45 (NBC, This on DT2) Detroit
WBSF-DT 46 (The CW) Flint
W48AV 48 (ION Television/WPXD-DT1 simulcast) Warren, MI/Detroit
CHCH-TV-2 51 (E! Canada) Strathroy/London (if i can pick this up in windsor, you should have no problem doing so!)
CICO-TV-59 59 (TVOntario) Chatham
W66BV (TBN) Detroit, Approved to move to 47, broadcasts from the Ren Cen
CBLFT-TV-17 68 (CBC French) Oil Springs, Construction Permit to move to 17
CFMT-TV-1 69 (OMNI) London (This one has over a megawatt of power!)
Now, occasionally, you'll get e-skip across the lakes from stations in say, Toledo and Alpena, particularly during the summer (such as WTOL CBS 11 and WNWO NBC 24 in toledo) and WBKB (CBS 11 Alpena).
I'll give you the transition channels for the canadian signals if you want them.
If you want a basic indoor antenna, you'll be reduced to just the detroit signals (with possible dropouts) and the ones from Oil Springs, and MAYBE CFMT-TV-1 on 69. If you have an attic/rooftop antenna, you'll get most of these, and if you want to go all-out with a pre-amp, rotor and directional antenna, you'll get most to all of the stations on the list. Mind you, towers can get expensive, but you'll probably get everything within 120 miles if you have a 40-foot tower. if people in North London can pick up the detroit digital signals year-round (surprised their signals push that far to begin with, but north london's pretty high), i'm sure you can.
You can subtract some of the distance between you and the Detroit stations because of Lake St. Clair. Water is a great reflector of signals, which is why folks in London watch Erie, PA's locals, or how i pick up Toledo's analog signals here in downtown Windsor.
2009-04-28, 06:38 PM
Wow, thanks for the awesome reply!
Ok well, If towers are expensive(how much roughly?/where to get pricing) I don't think I'd go that route then.
So I'd be looking at either an attic antenna or a rooftop antenna I believe. I did some more research last night through the very details FAQ's posted here and learned some things and have some new questions.
This question is in regards to choosing a UHF antenna or a combo UHF/VHF. If I got with just a UHF and going for the detroit channels I should get all the detroit channels (which are 100% digital right?), the only difference between me doing that or getting a combo would be I would 100% lose out on *ALL* the canadian analog stations in my area (roughly 5 or so channels right?), or is it possible that I would still get some analog stations, I guess the main ones off the top of my head I'd want would be CBC, global and CTV as those are the only BIG networks in my area that are Canadian/analog I think....
If I just go with a UHF antenna would I get better reception of the digital channels in detroit compared to using a combo?
I have a cleared out empty space in my attic that I could technically put an antenna in, but I'm worried about doing it this way as there are some pretty tall trees on my block going mostly from straight West to North/Northeast, looking southish it's not as bad. There would be no direct trees right near my house causing interference but there is about 70-80 feet away across the street. I did buy an indoor amplified antenna for like $25, it's like a no name brand i got from Xcess Cargo and it looks pretty fancy with the circle antenna and 2 really long retractible ones, and when I pull them all the way out the only channel I can even make out is CBC, which could be the one in Sarnia, which scares me big time!!
I guess I will leave it at that for now, but I still have more technical questions regarding what kind of Preamp I could get/ how much and picking an antenna and if I should just buy this stuff all online (cheaper?) or try and find a local shop which I've never seen around here.
Thanks so much this is awesome!
2009-04-28, 08:46 PM
@ice pick 69
welcome to the forum,
I live in north London and I have mounted a 4221HD clone antenna in my attic. Now I am about 104 miles from Americian OTA DTV from Detroit Mi, Cleveland Oh, and Erie, PA. I can confirm with my simple set up I have received reception from these places however they are not reliable for serious television watching. Some days I get reception from anywhere 5 mins to 4 hours give or take the weather and conditions.
Ringtailedfox gave an excellent senario of reception that you should get from your location there in Sarnia. Try visiting Tvfool.com and follow the directions to locate just how far the television transmitters are from you and what directions to point your antenna. You could set your antenna from the recent spot you cleared out in your attic to start. I recommend at the very least RG6u type coaxial cable (I picked up about 30m from the local Home Depot for a decent price) and either a Channel Master 4221 HD, or 4228 HD antenna, or any bow type style like those two.
I have a good feeling that you should get Detroit channels pretty good from you location.
2009-04-29, 01:50 PM
If I just go with a UHF antenna would I get better reception of the digital channels in detroit compared to using a combo?
A UHF only antenna will only pick up UHF signals (stations 14 and above). I'm not sure if the channels RingtailedFox posted are virtual or not, but assuming they aren't, using a UHF-only antenna would reduce the probability of receiving any channel below 14.
2009-04-29, 08:01 PM
my 2 cents.
Sarnia is great is OTA. Much better then Londons ]=
You should be able to easily pick up all the main detroit/Sarnia stations.
Plus you should be able to get some London channels.
Analog stations (from tvfool.com) Everything Bolded should be easy to receive. Where as the unbolded stuff maybe alot more tricker.
CKCO - 42 (CTV Sarnia)
CHCH - 51 (E! Alvinston)
CIII - 29 (Global Sarnia)
CBLN -34 (CBC ?Sarnia)
CFPL -10 (A! London)
CBLN - 40 (CBC London)
CICO - 59 (TVO ?Chantam)
CBET -9 (CBC Windsor)
CICO -18 (TVO London)
CBLFT - 53 (SRC London)
CBLFT -48 (SRC ? Chantam)
CFMT - 69 (Omni1 London)
CJMT - 20 (Omni2 London)
Digital Stations - USA stations Everything Bolded should be easy to receive. Where as the unbolded stuff maybe alot more tricker.
WADL 38.1 39 (IND Detroit)
WMYD 20.1 20 (MY Detroit)
WWJ 62.1 44 (CBS Detroit)
WDIV 4.1 45 (NBC Detroit)
WTVS 56.1 43 (PBS Detroit) WXYZ 7.1 41 (ABC Detroit)
WJBK 2.1 7 (FOX Detroit)
WKBD 50.1 14 (CW Detroit)
WFUM 28.1 28 (PBS Flint)
CKXT 19.1 19 (Sun London) unlisted on tvfool.com
Now for costs.
A cheap Mast that you place on your roof. = $49 - $149.
An good antenna (Like 4221 or yagi) = $50 - $99.
RG6 (RG56) Cable. 25 cents a foot + $2 for the ends.
Grounding costs = ?
If your looking to support more then 1 tv. You maybe will need to get a preamp. + splitter cost etc.
You will need a ATSC tuner in order to receive Digital channels. So a if you need a Digital to analog box = $40+
Rotator = ?
Get a good antenna. (4221 or a good yagi) Build a home made mast. and stick it your attic. + RG6 cable. Your cost should be less then a $100.
Good Luck on whatever you choose,
2009-04-30, 12:05 AM
those were not the "virtual channels". WKBD's virtual channel is 50.1, but broadcasts on UHF 14. oh, and WMYD broadcasts on Channel 21... 20's been shut off since early march.
2009-04-30, 02:08 PM
In my haste I made a typo. WMYD does broadcast on 21.
Directions of the stations.
Detroit are to South West
Sarnia are to South East
London is East
Cleveland is South
Flint is West
Maybe you will be able to pick up something from the North West also.
2009-05-01, 03:15 AM
The only things he'll get by aiming north or northwest is WBKB-TV 11 (CBS Alpena), which is the only full-power station in that direction broadcasting at any serious power levels (20 kW or higher). there's a CHANCE that he *might* pick up something from sudbury, the soo, or traverse city (or some of the flint/midland locals), but that would be extremely unlikely.
USA CBC fan
2009-05-07, 09:30 PM
WJW-DT on 31 has to contend with co-channel interference from WPXD-DT in Michigan and the CITY repeater at Woodstock.
WEWS-DT's channel 15 is far clearer, and it is, by far, the easiest Cleveland DTV to DX.
WJW-DT will be moving to channel 8, which may make it easier to DX in SE Michigan and the very tip of SW Ontario, but those in London, Cambridge, K/W, etc, will get hammered by CKNX (unless it actually does shut down).
2009-05-07, 10:21 PM
@USA CBC fan
Indeed, WJW-DT 8.1 Cleveland has decent signal strength here at my home; on there temporary alotted DT channel 31 but the interference from Woodstock's CITY TV transmitter makes the channel impossible to watch as it pixelates to much. I was surprised I managed to download the PISP correctly.
With out a shadow of a doubt WEWS-DT 5.1 Cleveland is my most reliable channel to watch. On most evenings I can enjoy this channel with decent signal strength's. My second most reliable would be WDIV-HD 4.1 from Detroit.
2009-05-08, 03:14 PM
WJW is on 31 =/\ (not 39?)
As for CKNX hurting WJW. Not gonna happen. CKNX has a weak signal here. Whereas City can be picked up with a 69 cent UHF Loop.
As for CBC appearing on 24. I dont think its an overload with the tuner. I think its just the physics of my attic. ;p
Read ya l8r,
2009-05-08, 11:09 PM
I would pick it up in Mississauga as to save in shipping costs.
It would have to be some serious shipping charges to offset at least $60 in gas and 7 hours in drive time.
2009-05-15, 12:21 PM
It's summertime, and my dad and i have been thinking on getting a 20 foot tower in the back yard, along with a rotator with 12-location memory and a Phillips deep-fringe antenna, as that was the best antenna that Turner's Audio Video on Provincial Road in Windsor has. Is that antenna any good, or should i avoid spending my hard-earned money on it?