WXPD31 was a mixed blessing for me as (in London) it was interfering with my reception of CityTV 31: I could only get clear reception of WXPD31 (the Ion network) very infrequently.

WPXD was always difficult for me to drag in, and i'm in downtown windsor with a rooftop antenna facing the station's general direction (northwest towards southfield, MI)... i'm roughly half-way between you and the transmitter... maybe Lake St. Clair carries the signal as well....though i'm also surrounded by tall buildings, trees, and a big bridge...

("Emerald Boar" wrote: Channel 38 uses channel 39 for digital. There may be some inference from CBC on channel 40.)

Another factor as well: Since they (WADL) transmit from the very Eastern edge of the Detroit area (near Mt. Clemens, about 1 km from Lake St. Clair), their antenna is highly directional with a wide, deep null to the East, This means they don't waste a lot of "hydro" blowing a strong signal into the lake, but it also leaves out the fine people across it.

I get absolutely nothing on 19 or 31, just static. Their signal on 31 is only 110 kW and it's from a transmitter between Lansing and Ann Arbor (closer to lansing than anywhere else).... doesn't even reach Metro Detroit. their proposed 1000 kW transmitter on 19 in Southfield (WKBD's tower, actually) would blast into Windsor without any real issues, and neatly cover everyone, including Monroe and Ann Arbor. Right now, it's at low-power to protect W33BY...despite being on 31. As you said, the CRTC must agree to any potential changes in signal contours in the border zone, but i think they'll agree. I just hope the co-channel interference of Toledo's WMNT-CA on WPXD's translator W48AV (which DOES cover detroit and the northernmost fringe of windsor, lucky me!) suffers...or if it's converted to digital (becoming W48AV-D), if that would solve its issue...though a transmitter from southfield would cover the area, and i have a good feeling that W48AV would be shut down if it's within WPXD's new coverage area already. I know that WPXD/W48AV airs "ION Television" but i never really knew what that network was. Is it like Retro Television Network?

I just came back from a visit to a friends place in Leamington whom lives right at the lake front. I was checking there OTA reception. They have one of those (UFO) amplified antenna's and thought I would see what kinda channels they where pulling in. It was raining most of the time while I was visiting, probably cutting into DTV reception. There television did not have a strength meter so I could not see what type of strength the signal was.
my DTV search resulted in:
13.1-13.2-13.3 ABC Toledo
21.1-21.2 My Detroit
30.1-30.2-30.3 PBS Toledo
38.1-38.2 WDAL Detroit

I was kinda surprised...
I could not pull in DTV signals from CBS, NBC Toledo nor any of the big three from Detroit.
I figured that perhaps I could pull in Cleveland too but nope.
note: the antenna has a rotor built in so I was turning in small increments and re-scaning the television.
Talk about big disappointment.

side note: there were a decent amount of analog channels. The analog Toledo channels 11,13 and 24 were supurb. I was surprised to see this type of reception because in the past there were never that great. Also like I addressed previously, I did make an effort to rotate the antenna to different directions ie: Detroit and Cleveland.
Could I just tack this to weather conditions ie: rain and cloud cover
or just crap antenna?
interested in any inputs.
Thanks guys....
Mark

No surprise on the Toledo channels since only 13 and 30 are using omni-directional antennas. The others have a null to the north-east.

I would say it was from very bad weather. Windsor had an electrical storm on the Saturday Night (March 7th).... You should have NO problem pulling in the cleveland analogs (3, 5, 8, 19, 43) and even a couple digitals... the toledos *have* gotten clearer, lately, haven't they? i'm glad i';m not the only one that's noticed the improvement in power... 11, 13, 24, 30, and 36 should be easy for ya in analog, while i'd only expect 13 and 30 to be the only digitals for you to recieve (the rest point south towards findlay, OH). i live in downtown windsor and all the detroit locals kept breaking up for me during the electrical storm, but you should also have no problem picking up 2, 4, 7, 21 (Digital-only), 38, 50, and 62 (and their digitals) and maybe even 31 (it's a long-shot!), and windsor's 9, 32, 54, and 60.. also try aiming northeast to get 16, 22, and 42 (A, Global, and CTV respectively, from chatham and sarnia). Try reception again in a couple days, when the sun comes out. You'll be surprised how many channels kingsville, leamington, and pelee island can get. Small-town living, big-city channel selection! :)

omni tv has a repeater station on channel 20 in london

London and winsdor are 225 km apart... I think that's sufficiently distant to share the channel 20 allocation... it's the same distance from London to Toronto, and they share Channel 20 as well (CBLT-DT is on 20).

From 1972 to 2009, WMYD-DT also operated its analog signal on Channel 20 in Detroit...

25, 32 & 33 Would are all available for a Detroit station to switch to.

However, If i were a TV manager i would seriously consider going back to broadcasting on channel 2. Less energy, Less interference, Signal carries a lot farther.

On a side note. For like 5 secs i was able to watch WEWS-DT. ( I am in London)
And learned "unusable signal" & "channel not available" mean 2 different things.
Plus, i only need 40% to watch digital television.

Read ya l8r,
Alvaro Marques.

hi ringtailedfox,
You can place CHCH at 24 for digital & 51 for analog.
London stations may be with 200km of Detroit.

right right. I forgot to search my canadian database.

anywayz, strongest VHF signals
Ch 2 KVBC (las vegas) has a 27.7kW @ 384m
Ch 4 WDKY (DANVILLE, ky) has a 26.5kW @ 327m
ch 8 KIII (CORPUS CHRISTI) 160kW @ 269m
ch 11 KSWO (LAWTON) 138kW @ 327m

read ya l8r,
Al

London-area stations are at 225 km (or farther) from Detroit... example: until WILX 10 Lansing went digital-only, i used to pick it up (but barely) here... never had any reception from CFPL-TV 10 London...i suppose i can add them if you wish.

WJBK-TV claims they will keep the same coverage area as they did on channel 2 (analog) and 58 (temporary digital)... with a coverage area from chatham, sarnia, and leamington, out to flint, toledo, and jackson, i highly doubt that will be done with anything under 400 kW. 65 kW won't even cover the metro detroit area... i doubt Fox Television Stations Group (owner of the station) knows what they are doing....

Thanks ppauper for describing your OTA setup... that's amazing that you can pickup ABC Detroit (WXYZ, 7.1, 7.2 and 7.3)!

I have my DIY 4-bay bowtie antenna in the attic, so I'll have no chance of replicating your OTA tv reception until I get more height on the antenna.

RingtailFox,
Im 105 miles from the Detroit stations. And Im farther from the detroit then are the TV towers.

read ya l8r,
Al

sweet! well, if you can pick up the detroit stations without interference, that's great! i'll add the london-area repeaters to the list.

ringtailfox,
You dont need all London repeaters
Just a few of them.

maybe
10 - A channel (full power)
24 - CHCH (33 miles west of London)
29 - GTV (right beside the CTV tower)
40 - CBLN (1.6 MW)

The other London channels are likely to weak to be able to be picked up.

Read ya l8r,
Al

ringtailfox,
You dont need all London repeaters
Just a few of them.

maybe
10 - A channel (full power)
24 - CHCH (33 miles west of London)
29 - GTV (right beside the CTV tower)
40 - CBLN (1.6 MW)

The other London channels are likely to weak to be able to be picked up.

Read ya l8r,
Al
CHCH in london is on Ch.51,
and the Global29 is somewhere like Sarnia (as is CTV42) rather than London

ctv are shutting down their transmitter in wiarton, at the end of august

it's oil springs, 26 km / 16 miles southwest of Sarnia. the purpose of that location is to serve lambton county, sarnia, and wallaceburg... the stevenson transmitter farm's purprose is to serve leamington and chatham, pointing northeast and southwest, with nulls towards the lake (southeast) and windsor (northwest).

As for WUDT-CA's proposed conversion to digital... i don't know when that will be completed, as Low-Power and Class-A stations don't need to convert to digital until 2012 or so... besides, wouldn't it be a step backwards to call it WUDT-LD instead of WUDT-DC (Digital Class-A)?

thanks ppauper,
Your correct it is ch 51 for analog

I guess i was pointing out the Digital channel.

My Bad,
Al