That would indicate that Martin had about 80% of the vote. He's currently well over 90%.

Warbirds.

As far as I know, your summary of this situation is accurate. You can have a DTV system in your house, as long as it is not being used to decode a US sat signal.

Interesting. I'm not too sure about that. For example, if you have a radar detector in your car (in Ontario), you will be fined and it will be taken away. The radar detector was not "on" when the police took it. (don't ask me how I know) :cry:

I tried to explain that I was on my way to Alberta, where they are legal, but that didn't work.

The guilt is in "owning", not using... Guess you'd have to look at the law for satellite stuff.

I didn't take the "crime" to court (it was an old detector and it would have cost me more for legal help), but it would have been interesting. I've found X-coppers have a very good record with tickets of any kind... :wink:

It isn't suppose to make sense. Ask customs if you can still bring a satellite receiver into Canada. The last i heard they will gladly take your tax money and send you on your way.

It's not yet a banned item. I'm guessing that a radar detector is.

C'mon folks if we could talk law breakers into changing their ways we wouldn't need the RCMP. The jails are full of non repentant people, they all believe they have a right to their actions. That's why as a society we inact and enforce laws.
And that is why we also have a decriminalization process. When ridiculous laws such as what consumers can or cannot watch on their TV exist and you have corporations pushing/convincing enforcers to act on them with an already overburdened system, it simply makes sense to abolish them.

You guys are partially right. You can bring your system across the border but that is soon to change with the announced updates to the Radiocommunication Act. When it comes down to the test of actual ownership that's where it gets a little murky. For DirecTV systems, as the only use for them is illegal then it is a similar situation to the radar detectors. There is no law that I know of that, in itself, actually makes the radar detectors illegal except that their only use is an illegal one therefore the equipment is not legally possessed.

It may come down to whether your system is hooked up or not. Again if it is hooked up then it defintely be illegal and subject to seizure. If it is still in the box then there are questions. But all of this changes with the updates to the act. The update gets rid of all of the holes.

All criminals see themselves as the victims. You are right laws change, unfortunately signal theft laws are not changing to the thieves benefit.

Vic

When ridiculous laws such as what consumers can or cannot watch on their TV exist and you have corporations pushing/convincing enforcers to act on them with an already overburdened system, it simply makes sense to abolish them.

Better start getting them changed. In the meantime, IT IS STILL ILLEGAL just like stealing a CD from the cd!

Better start getting them changed. In the meantime, IT IS STILL ILLEGAL just like stealing a CD from the cd!
Since you quoted me and obviously misread my posts, I AM NOT STEALING ANYTHING, I subscribe to DTV. We are approximately half a million dangerous TV criminals that must be dealt with at all costs <-- think about it!

I somehow doubt you are actually paying for your DirecTV. But, then again, even if you are actually paying for the service you are still stealing under the laws of Canada as the money you are paying is not going to the Canadian owners of the programming. Got it?

badboy,
I suppose you have a problem with my DVD collection as well. I purchase PAL DVDs from Europe rather than region 1 NTSC because of the higher resolution. I'm costing jobs from Canadian distributors, oh no!

Give me a break? It would be a great help if you would all read the copyright laws of Canada or contact your lawyers for clarification of same. We are discussing subscribing to or hacking US satellite services. This has absolutely nothing to do with DVD's, books, magazines, etc. which are covered under totally separate legislations around the world.

You guys seem intent on trying, come hell or high water, to justify your subscribing to or hacking of the US satellite providers. If you are so intent on this then go to the United Nations and tell them that you are being discriminated against, that your rights are being violated, that you're just not going to take it any more. But you will come home with more dismay. They will chuckle while they politely tell you that you haven't got a hope in hell of convincing anyone in the civilized world that you are right.

Now I don't expect that this will deter any of you from your actions. I just know that anyone I know who has a US system is a thief...plain and simple. Anyone who has these systems in use knows that they are illegal or have been living in a cave for the past 8 years. They know that owning and operating these systems, whether paid or hacked, is illegal and is stealing. The fact that the Canadian government so far has decided to only pursue and prosecute dealers has not made me happy but must make you extatic. Believe me, if a neighbour has a DirecTV system in action I am going to give him a real hard time. When I get finished with these guys they want to go legal, believe me.

So the next person who posts here for the pro-US system side better have undeniable proof that international law is on their side complete with documentation. Hot air just doesn't cut it as we have just about had enough and it is rather stale.

badboy

So, what if I already subbed to BEV, yet wanted to pay more to DTV so that, God forbid, I could watch the Sopranos a day early, or EPSN, so that I could watch a sports network that didn't have a preseason Leafs game as their number one story.

How would I be depriving anyone here in Canada of their money? I have said time and again that I am more than willing to pay for US programming, IN ADDITION to what I already give Bell each month.

Badboy,

If your neighbour had DTV how would you go about "giving them a real hard time"

What would you do?

Neighbours are not message boards. Harrasment breads harrasment. Let them live in peace on there own property, and they will let you live peacefully too. Your not the police.

Badboy is obviously an "employee". What makes you think strangling consumer rights is what will drive US network subscriptions towards lame Canadianized content? All you'll acheive in ratting out your neighbor is even more wasted tax dollars. I really can't imagine any person who's been accused/sued throwing their money at the industry who instigated it.

Oh and to mimic your attitude, take a walk down any street, you'll find plenty of us out there. Then, instead of ranting, grab the phone and call the RCMP, they are much easier to reach than any international body and should take your complaint extremely seriously giving us a civil case to rally behind.

You guys seem intent on trying, come hell or high water, to justify your subscribing to or hacking of the US satellite providers. If you are so intent on this then go to the United Nations and tell them that you are being discriminated against, that your rights are being violated, that you're just not going to take it any more. But you will come home with more dismay. They will chuckle while they politely tell you that you haven't got a hope in hell of convincing anyone in the civilized world that you are right.


I assume that you not familiar with the exising UN Charter?

You guys seem intent on trying, come hell or high water, to justify your subscribing to or hacking of the US satellite providers. If you are so intent on this then go to the United Nations and tell them that you are being discriminated against, that your rights are being violated, that you're just not going to take it any more. But you will come home with more dismay. They will chuckle while they politely tell you that you haven't got a hope in hell of convincing anyone in the civilized world that you are right.


I assume that you not familiar with the exising UN Charter?

As I said, if you sincerely believe that your rights are being violated then go to the UN. They will gladly hear your case (for a price of course). But it will be an act of futility. Good luck anyway.

I already have Directv so i don't need to ask for it. But thanks for caring.

To quote a very smart fortune cookie "The will of the people is the best law"

The will of the people is the best law
I think that is called a DEMOCRACY. Good thing we do not live in one of those totalitarian countries, eh? :wink: