if you are on the business of securing people money you have to be up to date with security.If you think is too much get out of the business.If bell doesn't want to be up to date with demand of new channels and security get out of it.Why should i fell sorry for a company that doesn't give me what I want.

if you are on the business of securing people money you have to be up to date with security.If you think is too much get out of the business.If bell doesn't want to be up to date with demand of new channels and security get out of it.Why should i fell sorry for a company that doesn't give me what I want.

Then you should be one of the first one's targeted for a nice huge lawsuit...it would look good on you using that same defense in court. They would laugh you out of the courtroom.

Speaking of which it would be interesting to hear this website's response if DirecTV, Bell or Shaw or whoever asks a court for its subscriber records so they can go after the promoters of illegal satellite use. And don't say it can't happen...ISP's are being asked in Canada as we speak for records of subscribers for other illegal activities.

badboy,
What is this personal vendetta you have against testers? Did someones Direct TV dish fall off there roof and kill your dog?

Oh please with the Canadian jobs already. Are you referring to the jobs ExpressVu maintains? If you are then this is a non issue. If you are referring to the television industry as a whole then relax, your tax dollars are maintaining/subsidizing them. Btw, ever wonder where BCE buys those millions of satellite receivers not to mention the billion dollar equipment to keep it all running, certainly not from any Canadian manufacturer!

We subscribe to DTV but I am well aware that others have less expensive ways of obtaining their superior programming. I believe this piracy issue has more to do with availability than free tv. If a satellite provider were to boldly go where no other has gone and offer a package whereby all channels including PPVs were available (ie. $199.00 a month) I'm sure many higher income households would subscribe to it, I know we would simply because we can afford it.

As for any "corporate government" trying to invade our freedoms, my husband and I have thoroughly discussed this issue and should they threaten us, we will feircly fight this unjustice because this has nothing to do with TV!

Yeah...we have all heard this before...any excuse is a good excuse...

Yes...this is a vendetta...I hate thievery and I hate what all of this means to our society. People throughout Canada are up in arms over gay marriage but gay marriage has nothing on the destruction of social morals equivalent to the rampant thievery that is so pervasive in our great country.

I am going to ask again as I have yet to get an answer to this one...

What about our children? We are teaching them that it is OK to steal...OK to disregard even our Supreme Court...To hell with big business...to hell with the police...to hell with our government and its authority...This country can go (expletive deleted) itself...I am going to watch my US TV and no one is going to stop me!

That is what you are teaching your children. When Canadian society totally breaks down and becomes total anarchy you have only yourselves to blame. Pure and simple voracious selfishness. Shame! Shame! Shame!

What about our children? We are teaching them that it is OK to steal...OK to disregard even our Supreme Court...To hell with big business...to hell with the police...to hell with our government and its authority...This country can go (expletive deleted) itself...I am going to watch my US TV and no one is going to stop me!
We will teach our children to stand in dignity against repression because that is exactly what it is no matter how you slice & dice it or how much dressing you put on it. I'm not referring to the piracy issue but the excrementitious laws that criminilize subscriptions to other satellite providers than the two Canadian ones.

If only you could have a MIDI file of the national anthem playing in the background as you proudly salute the flag and march off in your quest against repression. Give me a break.

I think I'll start fighting against the repression of those pesky public nudity laws. Look out Port Perry, here comes some streakin'!

What about our children? We are teaching them that it is OK to steal...OK to disregard even our Supreme Court...To hell with big business...to hell with the police...to hell with our government and its authority...This country can go (expletive deleted) itself...I am going to watch my US TV and no one is going to stop me!
We will teach our children to stand in dignity against repression because that is exactly what it is no matter how you slice & dice it or how much dressing you put on it. I'm not referring to the piracy issue but the excrementitious laws that criminilize subscriptions to other satellite providers than the two Canadian ones.

Then you are not worth discussing this with. But when someone holds you up in a home invasion or mugs you in broad daylight in downtown Toronto or wherever you live or carjacks you don't go crying to the police. Theft is theft and what goes around comes around. And when your kids start their lives of crime I guess you will have to just grin and bear it. They learned it from the master. Or maybe it will be a gang that they join. Gangs have no more respect of the law than you do so why should you complain?

If all of us disrespect the laws of the land then we might just as well go live in the jungles of Congo where there is no law except at the other end of a muzzle. That's it in a nutshell.

BADBOY quote "Then you should be one of the first one's targeted for a nice huge lawsuit...it would look good on you using that same defense in court. They would laugh you out of the courtroom"


What will be the base of the lawsuit by bell:Let's see LATINOS send his money to dish network to get 29 spanish channels (gray market ) And he get Canadians channels using the so call "Rabit Ears" for free.
So he is gilty of buying channels that we "don't have" and and we have no intentions of selling and also he deside to get Canadian Channels by using the Rabit Ears and not by using our product.That's why he have to pay us BIG MONEY your honor.

I admire your passiion BadBoy for defending Bell.But you have to open your eyes and see the reason why this is a PROBLEM for Bell and you will find the solucion,By puting people in jail, the problem is not going to go away,So tell that to the Goverment and Bell.See you in court...

Yes...this is a vendetta...I hate thievery and I hate what all of this means to our society. People throughout Canada are up in arms over gay marriage but gay marriage has nothing on the destruction of social morals equivalent to the rampant thievery that is so pervasive in our great country.

so, then you are also up in arms about the thousands of B and E's that occur on a yearly basis, the thousands of cars that are broken into and stolen, the thousands of bicycles that are stolen yearly, or are you reserving your 'hate' for 'illegal' satellites??

As for what we are teaching our children? People make laws and people can get the laws changed!


/I am here from the government and I am here to help you!!!!

Laws are subjective, one day something may be illegal and another day it is not. Look at Marijuana for example. http://www.provincialcourt.bc.ca/judgments/pc/2003/03/p03_0328.htm
One day you can go to jail for doing somthing that the next day is legal.
I think there are far more serious crimes that demand attention than satellite theft. Bell should spend their time and money to make it harder to steal satellite rather than trying to prosecute everybody that steals it. Look at starchoice, their system has never been hacked. If it has no ones talking. It is a very simple matter to stop theft, stop using smartcards. The only reason it can be hacked is because smart cards can be emulated.
They made a big mistake when they started an now it would be a huge cost to fix.

Laws are subjective, one day something may be illegal and another day it is not. Look at Marijuana for example. http://www.provincialcourt.bc.ca/judgments/pc/2003/03/p03_0328.htm
One day you can go to jail for doing somthing that the next day is legal.


I think you mean it is no longer a crime but a misdemeanour. So rather than doing time you pay the fine! This whole legalizing pot myth has got to stop folks!

Badboy, I find it hard to see how buying a DTH satellite service from a US based company will have a negative moral impact on society or your kids. Does driving 101 km in a 100 zone with the kids in the back seat have the same effect then on their developing morals? What about taping shows or photocopying recipies for Mom? Tsk tsk!

John

badboy,

Crap crap crap that's all it is sir. Up until December last year I received Directv by black market meaning; I did not pay them for their programming I was stealing it. Why did i steal it? Simple, because Canadian programming, although better now, sucked and I preferred the variet and channel line up that Directv provided.

To be quite honest, if Directv came into Canada tomorrow I would be their first customer. Directv is better hands down including their nice hardware.

Bell ExpressVu and Canadian government for that matter are the criminals here. Everyone asks, why do we not have TIVO in Canada? Simple because Bell doesn't want you to have it. TIVO has several major city dial in local phone numbers in place. How do I know this? Because I owned one and it dialed into a local phone number to acquire guide data. Canadian governement wants to dictate what you can and cannot watch hence the CRTC. God forbid we allow HBO in Canada because it has demoralizing programming; those folks at the CRTC need to take a look at porn on ExpressVU.

Badboy, although we applaud your patriotism your energy would be better guided at something a little more useful than Grey market satellite issues. Just because the Supreme Court ruled on the grey market satellite issue still really doesn't make it immoral just illegal two different things.

kryspy

If Bell want to police the piracy, I'm all for it! Bell SHOULD stop the piracy. The POINT (which you missed) is that WE should not be paying for the policing of a private companies service through our tax dollars, via RCMP or anything else.

The Royal Bank is a public company, as is BCH, if someone robs a bank is it up to the bank to deal with the problem, no. In fact our tax dollars fund insurance for these banks that make billions of dollars in profit every year, just in case there is a robbery.


Second... to suggest the RCMP doesn't have anything better to do than track down people with FREE TV is ludicrous. Their OWN WEB SITE says their priorities are Organized Crime, Terrorism, International Policing, and Aboriginal Communities. They are also responsible for Border Integrity, Drug Enforcement, Proceeds of Crime, Econimic Crime, and Criminal Intelligence, Smuggling, Costal Enforcement and Imigration Enforcement.

Stealing satellite signal is ECOMONIC CRIME.
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C'mon folks if we could talk law breakers into changing their ways we wouldn't need the RCMP. The jails are full of non repentant people, they all believe they have a right to their actions. That's why as a society we inact and enforce laws.

Vic

Ya, but the Royal Bank won't be calling the police if MBNA bank is being robbed.

Bell seems to be more concerned about people stealing Directv than Expressvu.

They are under the false assumption that Directv hackers suddenly will become Expressvu customers if the hacking is stopped. Not a chance in hell.

They are under the false assumption that Directv hackers suddenly will become Expressvu customers if the hacking is stopped. Not a chance in hell.

Right on.....it is the arugment of 'are you watching Directv because it is free' or 'because of the content (read: Canadian tv sucks')?

If I want sucky Canadian TV, my Rogers connection is just fine. If I want HBO, I would have to become a criminal in the eyes of the law

/something wrong with this picture! :x

Earlier, I wrote that simply owning a DTV system was illegal. I was hasty in my wording. What I should have typed was that using a DTV system to acquire an American satellite signal, whether you are paying for it or not, is illegal.

Serves me right for trying to be intelligent so early in the morning!

Darth, you are correct this time :lol:

But the industry in Canada has always stretched the truth so it's easy to be confused by the matter.

Earlier, I wrote that simply owning a DTV system was illegal. I was hasty in my wording. What I should have typed was that using a DTV system to acquire an American satellite signal, whether you are paying for it or not, is illegal.

So, are you saying the act of owning the equipment is not illegal and therefore even though it may be hooked up to a dish, if it is not powered on and therefore not receiving a signal, you are not breaking the law?

That might explain why few (any?) homeowners have not been charged?
(and not wasted my tax dollars too!)



On another tangent, Sheila Copps has the support of 60 some delegates to Martin's 250+....guess we won't be calling her Madam Prime Minister, but maybe Ms. Backbencher!!!!!!!