: SW44 switch discussion
FWIW, the DPP Twin has a 3*4 switch of it's own. In this case, you could skip the external switch, run one line from the DPP twin to one receiver, and split the other line from the LNB with a DPP separator to feed the dual tuner receiver.
2008-09-28, 02:23 PM
ok.. i put in the dpp34 more like a future expansion,, i will be developing the basement and possibly adding another ird in another room.. so i perfer just expanding the outputs inside the basement rather then adding new lines outside from the dish.
2008-09-28, 02:45 PM
The only major drawback with a DP34 is that to feed a Dual Tuner IRD, you still need 2 lines.
As you have enough lines into the house, why not consider a DPP44.?
That way 1 line per receiver, regardless of it being a Dual Tuner or not.
2008-09-28, 03:57 PM
It's far too early to start worrying about if you need a sw64 switch or new DPP stuff for the new 72.7 bird. It is not planned to launch until the end of next year. Itís not even clear if Bell will use the new slot. Telesat may just lease to whole thing to Dish. My own view is Bell will try to avoid using the new bird. Bell only has the rights to half the transponders, (Dish has already leased the other 16). Using the new satellite would mean going to a two dish solution, or moving to a custom DPP dish, something like the 1000.2 or the new 1000.4. This would be very expensive, and I donít see Bell doing it. So, we will be left will a two dish solution (the current dual Dish 500 with a single Dish 300?) and legacy equipment (and the sw64). I hope I am wrong and Bell comes through for us, but I am not holding my breath! One idea, Bell may use the new satellite for new high value programming (HD PPV and HD porn, etc), thus reducing their initial expense, and increasing their cash flow. Time will tell. Only 15 months to go!
2008-09-28, 05:15 PM
Bell may use the new satellite for new high value programming
I like this idea.
Customers who WANT the service, have to pay to get the Upgrade and SW64.
Please limit discussion to the SW44 switch. If you want to discuss other methods of installation they all have there own thread.
2008-10-16, 10:54 PM
Hello everyone. I'm a new user, and after reading through just about everything posted about the SW44 I still haven't seen anything like the problem I'm having. It amounts to this:
I was using two old receivers, one upstairs and one down, each with a direct line to each side of a single LNB. They worked great. I bought a HDTV and upgraded to a 9242 in the basement. I installed a SW44.
Check switch on both says that no switch is found, and while I can get odd transponders in the basement, and even transponders upstairs (both on 91), I can not get both odd and even transponders on both receivers.
Please help me not to throw myself off the house.
Have you hooked up all 4 lines into the sw44 switch?
2008-10-22, 12:22 PM
Sorry for the more basic setup question here but what would be the difference between a SW44 & a SW42 switch?
The 44 allows 4 outputs and the 42 allows 2 outputs correct? So if I wanted 2 rcvrs, a 42 would suffice and if I wanted 4 rcvrs, the 44 would do the trick. So when we're talking about HD setups, does this eat up another output? I see the diagram for the switch and it looks like dual tuners use up 2 outputs.......are HD rcvrs always dual?
The 42 makes sense to me. It combines signals from 2 satts into 2 outputs.......perfect, I get it. The 44, however, combines the signals from 2 satts into 4 outputs. This is where I get confused because how can it combine the 2 satt signals into 2 pairs of separate outputs or do we lose something when we do this (like HD ability as I mentioned above)?
SW42 switch is old technology which Bell may not even use. They would use a SW21 switch which you would need two of but the outcome would be same as one SW42 switch. For info one these switch's see link below.
SW44 switch came out after and was able to have 4 outputs of two combined satellites.
For SW42 information please see this thread (http://www.digitalhome.ca/forum/showthread.php?t=79112)
There are two HD receivers. The 9242 is dual and the 6141 is not.
2008-10-22, 12:36 PM
So the SW44 would be the way to go. Right now I just have one 4100 rcvr but am looking to add 2 more.
If I get the SW44, I can get the required outputs for my setup, HD included if I want it?
2008-10-22, 08:12 PM
That is correct.
Just remember that if you are going HD for the first time, Bell TV will carry out the installation for you free.
This will cover everything you require, Dish, 2 LNBF's, SW44, lines etc.
2008-10-23, 09:05 AM
The SW44 requires 4 cable inputs to get the signal off two satellites, one cable for the odd, one cable for the even for each of the satellites, hence for cables. The SW44 will feed 4 tuners (IE two 9242's or one 9242 and two 6141's).
The best way to really go is to a dpp44 switch as with separator's you could theoretically feed four 9242's if bell would allow it (8 tuners). In real world you would probably use one or two 9242's and one or two 6141's. BTW this would all be done with one cable run to each reciever.
2008-10-31, 11:41 AM
Currently I have a multi TV solution that is working in my house but I'm wondering if it is the optimal solution.
I have the following receivers:
9242 (dual tuner HD PVR) x 1
5920 (single tuner PVR) x 1
3100 (single tuner) x 3
To get the single to all of these receivers I have feeds going into an SW44 and SW34. Three cables (82x2 & 91x1) and feed the SW44, so it feeds a few of the TVs. While one cable (91x1) goes to the SW34 and it feeds a couple of TVs.
I don't know why the technician set it up this way. Perhaps it was because he was adapting from the current setup which had just the SW34 in place but I'm not sure.
What I'm wondering is can I feed both the 82 and 91 cables to the SW44 then feed one of those outputs to the input of the SW34 to feed a couple of the single tuner receivers.
If it helps both the SW34 and SW44 are powered.
Thanks in advance!!
Your post is a bit hard to follow but I think this is the setup you have except for the multiswitch which is a SW38 in this example.
SW38 and SW44 (http://www.digitalhome.ca/forum/showpost.php?p=682400&postcount=5)
You have 6 tuners. A SW34 and SW44 switch will give you 4 outputs with 91/82 combined and 2 outputs with just one satellite most likely 91.
If you don't need programming from 82 on two receivers. I would stay as is.
Here is the thread on cascading SW44 switch's (http://www.digitalhome.ca/forum/showthread.php?t=79134)if you want all receivers to have both 91/82
2008-10-31, 12:20 PM
From what you describe the wiring is incorrect anyway. What you propose is also incorrect and niether will work correctly.
With the switch's you have, you should be connected like this;
2 lines from 91 into the SW34.
2 lines from 82 directly into the SW44.
2 outputs from the SW34 into the SW44.
This will give you, 4 outputs on the SW44 that carry BOTH 91 & 82.
You will also have 2 more outputs on the SW34 that will supply 91 ONLY.
To feed ALL receivers with 91 & 82 you need to add another SW34 & SW44.
2008-10-31, 03:21 PM
Thanks Q and Pinza. I'll have to double check what I have at home and make sure its configured correctly. That's disappointing that the SW34 can't receive both signals (combined by the SW44) first but I suppose that just how the technology works huh.
2008-11-03, 05:54 PM
Ok so I am having trouble figuring out what exactly is wrong with my install
I have a 9200 hd pvr
i have 2 lines going from one lnb going into 1a and 1b and then 2 lines from the other lnb into 2a and 2b. power is into line 1 of the reciever side.
so i do the installation summary and i get the same result for both inputs
port 1 2
sat 91 X
transpoder ok X
status reception verified
is this just meaning i havne't alligned properly to get both 91 and 82?
i tried reversing 91 and 82 into the sw44 and i get the sat 91 on port 2 and port 1 gets the x's.
I also tried switching the lnbs too.
2008-11-03, 06:25 PM
Try connecting 1 line from 91 directly to the 9200 Input (NO power inserter). This should show you which sat you are hitting. Repeat for all 4 lines, mark them so you know which is which.
My thinking is that you have 91 on the wrong LNBF. Or the 'skew' is wrong.
2008-11-07, 10:54 AM
I installed a new dish for my newly purchased 9242 receiver and after much playing around got it working. I then decided to put my other 5100 receiver on the new swithch. Well it works some of the time. It just seems to seize up. If you stay on one channel it seems to be ok but if you change the channel or if it changes to a pre set channel to record I lose the signal but I can't even get the guide. I have to pull the plug and let it go through the "acquiring signal process" It can be ok for hours then just quite. I put it back on its own satellite yesterday and it's been fine ever since. The new receiver has shown no signs of trouble on this switch and when the 5100 looses it's signal the 9242 does not. Any suggestions as to what could be the problem. I would really like to get rid of the older dish.