It would be good if everyone could put their location in their signature so we could know quickly where you are having reception issues.

I used to have WUTV issues here, but since I added a 4228 for Buffalo only aiming, it is rock solid.

And, I swear, unless it is fluke DXing, WUTV last night was in the low to mid 90's for me - the highest it has ever been. Coincidence of analogue shutdown?

im located in south Oshawa,about a mile from the lake,never had a problem getting fox 29 or fox 31 rochester in analogue,but as a previous post said,if its directed south,then im outta luck.:(

I've heard the stance that wutv is more difficult to get in digital than analog, something to do with being southern directional, but according to an FCC report/map, the digital coverage area is greater/larger than the analog coverage area, if not very similar- so it would seem that based on this FCC report, wutv digital should be easier to get than the analog signal. This seems contrary to personal reporting that wutv analog is easier to get than digital. Why the contradiction between the FCC report and real experiences? Is wutv yet to increase it's digital power?

The dashed line is analog and the solid line is digital. When I look at the map for WUTV (on pg 10) the digital signal is definitely weaker towards Toronto (north-east). The digital signal is stronger in all other directions.

If wutv is southern directional, shouldn't this be reflected on the FCC map?

Someone mentioned that when looking at the map, wutv digital is slightly below the analog on the northern arc, bad for TO, but where I am (Hamilton), the digital is beyond the analog- I get the analog no problem, but digital is difficult. Bear in mind I'm running a 4221HD, and if I go bigger, it would be the 4228HD and not the original. Maybe combining two 4221HDs might be better and/or a pre-amp?

If you want to see how directional south their signal is the go to the fcc site and look at the relative field plot not the contour pattern.This better represents where their power is going.I have no problems with WUTV-dt at 92% but their signal was stronger in the GTA before with the 35kw omni ,it was at 98%.Analog 29 was far less directional and could be picked up with coat hanger in the GTA.Thank Industry Canada for this.

R.C. has a projected contour of WUTV on its website dedicated to Toronto OTA...

I live on the border of Whitby and Oshawa near Rossland and I can still get 29.1 at 40% with my homemade 8 bay.(the same signal strength I got before Feb 17)

The only change I've noticed with WUTV-DT is that according to my Sharp Aquos its signal strength has dropped from 80% to 78%.

I'm using an original 4221 at 30' AGL aimed between the CN Tower and Grand Island with a 7777 pre-amp. I'm located just south of Erin Mills Pkwy and Britannia.

If you want to see how directional south their signal is the go to the fcc site and look at the relative field plot not the contour pattern.This better represents where their power is going.I have no problems with WUTV-dt at 92% but their signal was stronger in the GTA before with the 35kw omni ,it was at 98%.Analog 29 was far less directional and could be picked up with coat hanger in the GTA.Thank Industry Canada for this.
rob50312:

Please show link for the fcc relative field plot.

Link antenna plot http://www.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/polarplot?frame=Y&temp=76608&rotate=0.00&p0=0.181&p10=0.149&p20=0.128&p30=0.137&p40=0.172&p50=0.207&p60=0.237&p70=0.275&p80=0.332&p90=0.411&p100=0.512&p110=0.630&p120=0.757&p130=0.879&p140=0.965&p150=0.996&p155=1.000&p160=0.998&p170=0.978&p180=0.901&p190=0.789&p200=0.659&p210=0.522&p220=0.397&p230=0.308&p240=0.253&p250=0.212&p260=0.178&p270=0.148&p280=0.129&p290=0.130&p300=0.151&p310=0.182&p320=0.212&p330=0.235&p340=0.236&p350=0.213&p360=0.181&

Thanks Rob50312, this shows exactly what is posted elsewhere (RC for example) and is why a lot of folks have issues now with WUTV DT.

Fortunately, I was always only tuning the DT signal and it took me 6 months to find aiming that made it and NBC solid. It was worth the effort.

Why after so many years (I think wutv started out in 1970) of being omni-directional are these two buffalo channels southern directional? There are many other buffalo channels that are omni-directional, but it seems these two channels have been "picked-on" while numerous other US channels are free to boom into Canada, see wnlo. Why these two channels? Also, why aren't the Rochester or Detroit channels southern (roc) or western (det) directional?

I think I'm going to put up two stacked 4228 originals, or maybe a parabolic, on a 50 foot tower with a CM pre-amp to get these channles all the time and power split it to my neighbours so everyone can get it; heck, I could probably get fox from erie with this set up from my location, I already get wicu analog (12). This southern directional thing doesn't add up when many other channels are omni...

I think I'm going to put up two stacked 4228 originals,
I think FOX is directional because there is a license for ch14 in barrie ontario.

My stacked 4228's work just fine for FOX & NBC. Yes, that is the answer.

Yes but their are 7 frequencies reserved for Barrie after analog ends.Do you really think a city of 130 000 could ever support 7.Yes 2 are repeaters for cbc but those are directional north as they are clearly not needed to the south.When Buffalo got started our regulators woke up to blocking again.WGRZ,WIVB,WKBW,WNLO,WNED applied early and got by our regulators.WUTV,WNYO applied later and got blocked with directional antennas.They clearly should have been allowed to return to their existing analog frequencies and antennas.Will we ever see Barrie use 14 or Peterboro 34?What about 29,49 nothing again.WGRZ should have been allowed to go to 960kw since 33 barrie cblt -dt repeater will be directional north again clearly not needed to south.Its Protectionism not coordination.

put up two stacked 4228 originals, or maybe a parabolic, on a 50 foot tower with a CM pre-amp to get these channles all the time and power split it to my neighbours so everyone can get it; heck, I could probably get fox from erie with this set up from my location, I already get wicu analog (12). This southern directional thing doesn't add up when many other channels are omni...

You will get Erie and maybe Youngstown with that setup!

BTW WUTV is 0 signal in West Lincoln whereas WGRZ is rock solid.

I've noticed no drop in signal, though I am using a 4228 pointed basically at fox (as that gives me Toronto to the side perfectly)

Fox has a huge market in Ontario, though (they play futureshop and other commercials, knowing they are on rogers/bell)
I thought they would've fought a southern directional broadcast for fear of losing some ad revenue.

WNED did not get the higher ERP they wanted because of Canadian regulators.

WNED did not get the higher ERP they wanted because of Canadian regulators.
Not just WNED, but none of the boarder USA stations have been able to get higher ERP than they would like. The few that do are directional to the south.

Simple answer for why is that 40 or 50 years ago when there was no cable or satellite in Canada, there were very few OTA stations available in the country, so it made sense to let Buffalo or Seattle stations broadcast into Toronto or Vancouver so that there would be more stations available. Over time, protectionism came into play and that is why today we can't get the signals many of us want OTA...

Not just WNED, but none of the boarder USA stations have been able to get higher ERP than they would like. The few that do are directional to the south.

Simple answer for why is that 40 or 50 years ago when there was no cable or satellite in Canada, there were very few OTA stations available in the country, so it made sense to let Buffalo or Seattle stations broadcast into Toronto or Vancouver so that there would be more stations available. Over time, protectionism came into play and that is why today we can't get the signals many of us want OTA...
I would agree with you for the most part, but everyone who has cable/sat, gets fox, so I don't understand why Canadian regulators are influencing american ota transmission which affects only a small percentage (10%?) of Canadians who are only OTA. I guess if they can't fix the illegal sat industry, they pick on others, OTAers, thinking they are doing some good- it's all a bunch of baloney.

That 10% is to big a number in the eye's of the broadcasters. They would like the number closer to 0%. Even with all the problems CTVgm and Canwest have they are still strong enough to lobby I.C. and the CRTC to make sure that their interests are covered...