I said I would strangle the guy. This is not the same as advocating the "killing of humans". Re-read the definition.to speak or write in favor of; support or urge by argument; recommend publicly.what am I missing? You wrote in favour of strangling someone. Your supported your position with an argument, and you publicly recommended that he be strangled. How is this not advocating?

Taunting a dog usually implies more than name calling.I can't say I've ever heard use of the phrase "to taunt a dog" before. But I've never seen taunt used in any way except verbal before. I took it to mean that he had growled at the dog, and it attacked.

I would ask you to refrain from taunting me. Did the owner ask the same of his friend? Moreover, I am not a dog.I will refrain from taunting you!

That may be true; nevertheless, it doesn't excuse the taunting that caused the attack. Shame to have to kill a dog because some drunken fool was pestering it.The dog seemed to have issues - better a drunken fool pestered it, and it was dealt with, than a small child pestered it, and the child was killed.

My saying that I would strangle this one person in this one situation in no way constitutes a recommendation to others to do the same thing in other situations. It in no way constitutes public support for murder. That's what you're missing.

It's been a slice. I won't return to this thread.

Stampeder, thanks for the advice regarding large dogs attacking. Hope I never need it, but it makes sense.

As for the Rottweiler strangalation story, it would seem that we have 2 knuckleheads screwing around with a breed that was designed to attack. It's a shame that there are so many Rottweilers bred, and that so many of these dogs end up with idiots.

Around here the SPCA's are full of unwanted Rotties. Personally, I don't want them around my family, ever.

vancouver, you're rigth they were initially bred to attack, but being born they don't know that. They aren't born with the sense that they have to kill something. I could raise a miniature poodle badly and he could be just as dangerous. I've had rotties my whole life. the one I currently have was bitten by a chipmunk on the nose when she was chasing it. The chipmunk now owns our backyard over my dog, they play together because she is afraid of it. Now saying that, the reason i mentioned a miniature poodle is because my neighbour has one and it is vicious, but it has been raised by her from birth, and she is the nicest old lady and treats it well. This dog scares me, it's attacked my dog, who will fight back against the poodle when it comes after her. But anyway what I'm getting at is does that mean poodles are naturally vicious and bred for violence???? This is the same kind of nature vs nurture as the 12y/o alberta killer. is she a natural sociopath or raised poorly. Any dog can be vicious and/or deadly. If they are raised properly then they should be fine. That goes for all dog, Rooties, Pitbulls, Poodles, Cockerspaniels.

As for saying you don't want them around your family ever is quite narrowminded. It will create a hieghtened fright of these dogs for your family. And what will happen if one comes around them, they yell at it to go away adn leave them alone, and since dogs do not yet know english, it might take it as a taunting and well we know what happens.

By the way thats hypothetical, but it does happen. If you're going to keep your family away from one type of dog because they are stereotypically dangerous, then keep them away from all dogs because they all have the same instincts. Don't be doggy racist :P haha.

JTS

I don't agree. There is something in this breed that makes them prone to attack and kill, very unpredictably. Many dogs will bite a person, but they don't usually attack with the same type of relentless aggression. Of course their physical size doesn't help.

I agree that it doesn't help they often end up with bonehead owners who very likely encourage that sort of behavior, but there seems to be something specific to the breed (similar to a pitbull). There just aren't many people being mauled by poodles (even those scary looking giant ones ;) ).

BTW, I love animals and don't condone killing any animal needlessly, especially if the victim was indeed taunting it.

-Mike

Thats the thing, get a rottie and a poodle, and let them attack someone with the same ferocity and guaranteed you'll say the rottweiler is the crazy one but it's because he is more powerful than what he's attacking, while the poodle is much smaller and can be controlled a lot easier. In this case size does matter lol. This is why they have weight classes in boxing.

Ricketty's Law: The number of opinions expressed on any incident is proportional to the square of the number of questions about it that remain unanswered. ;)

Ricketty

Rottweilers were bred in Europe as herding/droving dogs, so are very loyal but also very obedient. They are therefore tolerant of other types of animals. They were bred to protect their master and herd, so they were meant to have a nasty side as needed. In the hands of a kind, experienced owner they are very well behaved, but clearly the folks in the strangulation story had poor dog-ownership skills.

http://www.rottclub.ca/rottbegin.html

Ricketty's Law: The number of opinions expressed on any incident is proportional to the square of the number of questions about it that remain unanswered. ;)

Ricketty
Is this at the hypothesis stage, or is a full blown theory quoted to the max in a QED styleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee?

Here is a compensation, who needs a rottweiler, it's for thugs and scallywags ;)

http://news.yahoo.com/photo/070710/ids_photos_wl/r1203870351.jpg

Speaking of animal cruelty and people who deserve to be strangled, this case made news here in Halifax this week:

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/nova-scotia/story/2007/07/12/lilly-rescue.html

Lilly was found Wednesday on a country road near Shubenacadie, N.S., dehydrated, underweight, and covered in urine and feces. Her two front legs were broken and bones were showing through her fur...

There's some real scumbags out there.

And what will happen if one comes around them, they yell at it to go away and leave them alone, and since dogs do not yet know english, it might take it as a taunting and well we know what happens.

Point taken, don't avoid rottweilers, as the rottweiler may become offended and attack? And certainly don't ever shoo one away? Your defence of rottweilers highlights how dangerous these dogs can be.

Friends had 3 rotties over the years, one was a nasty male (the kept it away from everyone), another was a nice female (great dog), and another was a young female who seemed nice but kept biting their kids (they gave it away).

I'm not saying people shouldn't have them, but these dogs shouldn't be trusted alone with children, nor do I want to be around pitbulls, malamutes, dalmations, huskies and more. Don't need the potential threat.

American Rottweiler Club (http://www.amrottclub.org/introduc.htm). is worth reading.

A perfectly responsible co-worker had a beautiful malamute, never any issue, until one day at their cabin a little kid was visiting and the dog mauled the kid when they turned their backs. The malamute was destroyed, and the kid was mangled.

You suggest that I shouldn't discriminate against dogs based on breed, yet that is what people do every time they decide to get a certain breed. They make that choice based on the physical and behavioural traits of that breed, these same choices help to accurately stereotype the owner.

Is this at the hypothesis stage, or is a full blown theory quoted to the max in a QED styleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee?

I prefer to leave that question unanswered at this point . . . . ;)

Ricketty

One of the issues with these dogs, is the average non-dog person doesn't have a clue what rottweiler or other breed looks like. They have no idea which ones can be dangerous, and which ones aren't. Personally I wouldn't know a Rottweiler from a sheep dog from a terrier - I think they are smaller than a lab ... but I really don't know. And I certainly wouldn't have had any concerns about a malamute - the only ones I've known have been excellent with children, and just wanted to pounce on them, so that they could lick their face.

One of the issues with these dogs, is the average non-dog person doesn't have a clue what rottweiler or other breed looks like

You know this how, by doing a survey asking everyone that hasn't got a dog, or just sheer guess work?

You know this how, by doing a survey asking everyone that hasn't got a dog, or just sheer guess work?Yeah, while formulating my response I comissioned a nation-wide phone survey and got the response. I regret that it wasn't everyone, but the results should be accurate +/- 5 percent19 times out of 20.

Perhaps we could do a poll for non-dog people to answer.

I'd bet at least 1/3 of the English speaking population between 16 and 75 could correctly identify a Rottweiler. That comes to ~ 10% of Canadians. ;)

Ricketty

Sounded like the drunk deserved it. Isnt that called natural selection? I only taunt small or really old dogs, and cats. I don't like having my young children around dogs that we dont know the temperament of (the next door neighbor has a vicious Jack Russell, and other neighbors like to let their Pit Bull run without his muzzle or leash... Its better to be safe, than sorry, and I would never put my child in a situation where I didn't feel safe around an animal. I know there are tons of owners that have well behaved Pit Bulls, Rotties, German Shepherds, but there are alot of bad owners as well, and when these dogs attack, people get hurt, bad. It's sad that a few have ruined it for everyone, but these dogs have a history of attacking.

Sounded like the drunk deserved it. Isnt that called natural selection? I only taunt small or really old dogs, and cats. I don't like having my young children around dogs that we dont know the temperament of (the next door neighbor has a vicious Jack Russell, and other neighbors like to let their Pit Bull run without his muzzle or leash... Its better to be safe, than sorry, and I would never put my child in a situation where I didn't feel safe around an animal. I know there are tons of owners that have well behaved Pit Bulls, Rotties, German Shepherds, but there are alot of bad owners as well, and when these dogs attack, people get hurt, bad. It's sad that a few have ruined it for everyone, but these dogs have a history of attacking.
Ditto......+1

Several years ago, I was walking down the street minding my own business. As I walked past a man with his rotweiler, the dog leaped up towards my neck. Needless to say, I ran. The man had the nerver to chase after me and try to tell me the dog was friendly. He obviously was fearful that I would report him to by-law.

Unprovoked, the dog leaped towards me. These type of dogs should be banned.