: NHL expansion to 32 teams? (KC and Vega$)?

2007-06-07, 01:16 PM
expanding the league from 30 to 32 teams and that "there's no 'agreement' with anyone" to own an expansion team. But he said, "There have been many expressions of interest by a number of individuals and a number of cities," including Las Vegas and K.C.,

2007-06-07, 03:18 PM
LV is nice, but I think the other team should be in Portland, OR. or Seattle.

I'm sure you guys want Winnipeg or Quebec City.

2007-06-07, 03:20 PM
Not really. Hamilton is most suited to have an NHL team returned.

Mr. Blackberry has an exclusive deal with Copps.

2007-06-07, 04:12 PM
The league needs to get nashville,/tb/florida/islanders/anaheim all in order first.

2007-06-07, 08:05 PM
With all these teams adding up to the NHL, soon we'll have playoffs ending in mid july with the season starting in mid september. :o

2007-06-07, 08:22 PM
Actually, TB, the Islanders, and Ducks are all in fine shape.

Sorry to those of you who live in the Golden Horseshoe ... but Hamilton is not a good choice for a team. The Copps Coliseum is not a modern NHL rink and there is no evidence that the metro area will support a third team (look at the struggles that OHL and AHL teams have had in that region). In fact, the greater Toronto area is very fickle for teams other than the Leafs ... and a dicey business proposition for anyone. Argos, Raptors, and Blue Jays all need to be winning to have any real support. No reason to suspect that a second NHL team would be treated any different.

And, Jim Balsillie's Copps Coliseum deal is a red herring. If he moves the team to the Southern Ontario region, he'll build somewhere where he only needs to secure the agreement of one (not two) current franchises.

Winnipeg, Seattle, and Houston are heads and shoulders the best three choices. Followed by Vegas, Southern Ontario, Portland (instead of Seattle) and KC.

2007-06-07, 08:33 PM
No the ducks and islanders are not fine.

The trip to the cup and now the win they thought it would boost season ticket sales.The ducks have only sold 11,500 season ticket for next year.THe feeling is if they don't sell 3,500 more they will be put up for sale.

There in very bad shape.As of now they only have 7,000 season tickets sold.

Tampa Bay
While there in much better shape then the other 2 there is still some concerns.

2007-06-07, 08:48 PM
On the Ducks, 11,500 is a significant climb from where they were when the Samueli's bought them and is on the right track. Corporate support is up and there will be a bump in season ticket sales for next year. The franchise is not in danger and the ownership has a vested interest in the arena and owns the concession operations at the Honda Center. Even if the team itself is not breaking even, the net bottom line to the Samueli's is confined to

With the Islanders, season tickets are not the right measure. Now that the Penguins have an arena deal, the Islanders are in the worst building in the league by a mile. But, they have massive local television and radio rights deal (as do the Devils). In the metro New York area, weak attendance does not mean that they are bleeding red ink. The soft attendance is the direct result of many years of poor management. Now that they seemed to have turned the corner, it will take very little to restore attendance to a respectable level and the franchise to profitability.

Tampa Bay is doing reasonably well in light of the disaster of having your Stanley Cup party ruined by a season long lockout. That they retained the number of fans that they did from 2004 is a very good sign and attendance and local TV/radio ratings show that the support is very solid and growing incrementally.

2007-06-07, 08:52 PM
JC, I agree with your analysis of these 3 teams. Maybe Islanders management is smartening up...they dumped Yashin...a huge cost but probably better in the long run.

2007-06-07, 08:59 PM
The scary thing for the ducks is there season ticket sales are down 5% from last year.If they do not improve 2-4 year down the road it is very poissible there will be gone.On the flip side take ottawa if anything good came out of this it the season ticket.Before the play offs they had sold 12,000 season tickets for next year.AS of right now they have sold 17,000 season tickets.It will be almost impossible to get tickets next year.

2007-06-07, 09:08 PM
I think we should be caredul not to stray too far from the original topic which is about expansion. I think we all agree they need to fix problem franchises like Nashville and Florida before expanding (whether the other three are problems or not is a different debate) ... but if they do expand: good idea? water down the product even further? what cities?

2007-06-07, 09:13 PM
Since the NHL is looking to get bigger, why not introduce the "relegation system" like football has outside of north america, where clubs go down and come back up?

It will make things interesting

Walter Dnes
2007-06-07, 10:51 PM
Since the NHL is looking to get bigger, why not introduce the "relegation system" like football has outside of north america, where clubs go down and come back up?

It will make things interesting

Having a "second division" and "third division" works in soccer in countries where local highschool games draw thousands of fans. I don't see an American 2nd or 3rd division team drawing much support if all they can hope to do is move up to a higher divison next year.