: Super Bowl 2007 SimSub Or Viewing Experiences
2007-02-05, 12:30 AM
I have to agree with Unreal1080P.
I'm in Vancouver, BEV subscriber. I watched the game on the Global HD feed. It was noticably sharper then the CBS HD feeds. I switched over to CBS for the commercials though and swapped back to global for the game. Even my dad noticed the difference.
2007-02-05, 12:32 AM
Overall, I would say that the Global PQ was superior as well.
CBSHE & CBSHW both had serious macroblocking during any action shots and when a lot of the CBS graphics were displayed on the screen.
This is ni different than the picture quality I saw between FOX and CBS during the regular season. CBS always looks great until there is some action going on in the game.
Kudo's to BEV. The picture was great on Global and we had the option of swapping over to CBS for the commercials.
I though tthe sound was vastly improved from Global as well. Not as good as CBSHE but pretty much equal to CBSHW.
I'm drunk and the Bears lost so I'm pi**ed off anyways.
2007-02-05, 12:42 AM
amazing job by cogeco here in windsor. No SubSim on CBS HD. KEEP GLOBAL HD AWAY FROM MY HD CHANNELS!
2007-02-05, 12:44 AM
unreal1080P, interesting that you saw Global PQ as superior. On Rogers it was not, although it wasn't as bad as it has been and the audio was also slightly inferior (again, not as bad as it has been).
Perhaps this has something to do with what BEV do to the CBS signal (conversion to 720P?) I believe Global is also switched to 720P, however, that's done by Global, rather than BEV.
My speculation on this is that since Global obtained the raw live feed directly from CBS for this event (1080i) they perhaps fed that feed to BEV without altering it and perhaps BEV gave us a 1080i feed of Global this Sunday. Diogen mentioned that HDnet was once 1080i then became 720p... Seems like BEV would have the capability to switch if they wanted to... Again this is purely speculation on my part. I also think the bandwith for Global HD tonight was significantely better then the ones alocated for the CBS HD feeds. Perhaps Diogen or someone else who captured the feeds can confirm.
Now if only Global could get a raw direct feed from the NFL for ALL of the games they air (perhaps they will... pestering them worked this time...). If they do and can provide superior feeds then the CBS HD feeds on BEV then I have no objections watching Global Football... as long as the US feeds are there so I can actually verify that the picture is superior and of course watch US SuperBowl commercials later. BEV gave me the choice and, oddely enough, I chose Global (which is an extraordinary feet as I have a HUGE bias/hatred against Global).
2007-02-05, 01:28 AM
On Shaw HD 304 the picture was very good, despite the rain. The digital channel 85 was not very good signal.
Both the Digital and HD channel showed the American commercials.
Analog 6 and 8 were both the global feed, I looked only briefly to see a poor picture and Canadian commercials
Hope Global HD never comes to Shaw
2007-02-05, 01:42 AM
I watched Bell EV 817 because I was seeing US commercials. I did also notice 801 had a better picture ( the rain made me not care to much about the picture being not perfect )
The perfect combo would be having 2 6100 receivers ( since the 9200 only does HD out on one half ) and use one for the audio and then watch 801 for the picture....... BUT I guess no US commericals. Or could switch back and forth for commericals.
Audio and US commercials were the most important today... because the rain made the picture ok to not enjoy fully.
Way to go Bell! Hope it continues for the main HD TV shows out there.... I hate when audio sucks from simsub.
2007-02-05, 01:42 AM
My hat's off to Bell for providing an un-sim-subbed HD signal to their subscribers. I'm not quite sure they did what they did but this has earned them some brownie points and I'm guessing next to no angry phone calls or e-mails from dissatisfied customers come Monday morning.
As for Global's coverage, I have to concede that the picture quality was much better that what I saw on Bell (817 & 822) however the audio was not nearly as good as WBZ or KIRO.
I'd like to believe they've learned their lesson over at Global when it comes to screwing with us HD viewers. But I'm not holding out hope that next falls NFL coverage on Global will be as visualy good as it was for Superbowl. I do feel however that cable and satellite providers (such as Bell) will be more willing to yank inferior sim-subs in the future or face the wrath of angry subscribers.
2007-02-05, 02:12 AM
How could it be that some a few members are saying that Global had a better or equal signal while others say different? Would this not mean that the signal from Global has to be correct and thet problems are with the cable and satellite delivery systems in different areas?
Just a thought...
Yes, most people who watched on Rogers said the Global hd was poor, while the Bev users rated Global hd as very good. When Rogers briefly dropped the simsub, they said the CBS feed was much better.
Bev is my provider, and I agree that the Global hd feed for the superbowl was the best pq I've ever seen on Global. The audio however was much inferior to the Boston CBS hd feed. Perhaps the CBS hd feeds on Rogers look better than they do on Bev.
2007-02-05, 07:37 AM
Videotron - NO simsubbing.
2007-02-05, 08:15 AM
The game looked AWESOME!
Well I watched the game last night from 8:17 to 10:05. I recorded using my Rogers 8300HD PVR
I skipped through every commercial and all of Global's crappy SD ads and even with a couple of pauses watched the game in under two hours.
Picture quality looked good. A few issues but I'm not sure I wouldn't have seen them on CBS and also the weather was so poor that it probably played a factor.
I watched it on my projection LCD so used the television speakers. Was it 5.1?
2007-02-05, 08:39 AM
The game was in 5.1 on CBS. I didn't stay on Global long enough to find out.
2007-02-05, 08:40 AM
Global was 5.1
2007-02-05, 08:57 AM
You got to be happy to be a *C subscriber who don't carry Global HD and so we get the CBS feed. :p
2007-02-05, 09:07 AM
I watched the Global feed with BEV and it looked awesome, crystal clear.
Personally I couldn't care less about US Frito Lay, Dr. Pepper and Budweiser commercials, I tune in to watch the football game..
Watched the BEV CBSHDE feed. Only briefly switched to global and CBSHDW but the SQ was so subpar that I couldn't very long.
I watched most of the game and I thought it looked amazing. The only macroblocking I saw was when it was CBS graphics popping up on screen. There was freeze ups as well which resulted in a sec. or two off video and audio loss. Not sure if this was BEV's or CBS's fault. Some have noted macroblock during action scenes. I never noticed it. The picture was at times blurry or had rain drops on it from the rain.
Many of the commercials were amazing. The Ford truck one with the entire truck taken apart (exploded view) was amazing.
Nevertheless I rated it as excellent.
I usually never watch commercials but couldn't help to watch the commercials during the superbowl. Some were pure eye candy and just looked spectacular, some were very funny.
I am very pleased that BEV did not simsub.
the audio was amazing on CBSHDE. I think it was 5.1 on CBSHDW (nonsimsubbed) and Global as well but it was lacking big time.
2007-02-05, 09:47 AM
So why did Rogers customers in Ottawa (Detroit CBS feed) get an un-simsubbed feed but GTA customers got all their CBS feeds simsubbed? I don't understand this.
2007-02-05, 09:51 AM
Global does not have a transmitter that serves Ottawa so they are not permitted to simsub.