This is retarded, I am so angry I use bittorrent all the time and now I get like 10-20kb/sec on it...I dunno what to do but im freaking out..

What internet is better?

I get 0 Disconnection, 0 Lag in games, 700-800kb/sec downloads on internet...Only torrents is the problem and it makes me sick.

I need help, Which one is better then Rogers and in Toronto (North York) Area?...Thanks for any help.

TorontoInternet,
See this thread http://www.digitalhome.ca/forum/showthread.php?p=450528#post450528, post #2.

daveycanuck,
thanks for that great post. Do you think limiting/reducing the number of outbound connections helps? utorrent allows the user to resolve IP's of connected peers. I'm wondering if limiting the number of connections, and then booting slow and distant peers would trick out the packet sniffers.

Well I looked at both Teksaavy and Velcom, Both look good.

I have a question though..I bought the Rogers modem for $99, Is there anyway to sell it or anything? Maybe back to them?

The connection was still dropping repeatedly, so I called Teksavvy support Friday night. They said it was a problem with the Bell line and they would put in a service call to Bell Repair.

Bell phoned last night ( Saturday ) and said a technician would be here today. He showed up just before noon and made several trips to the CO and back. He finally said that the problem is noise on the lines between my house and the CO; a line repair tech will be 'dispatched within 24 hrs'.

So, I'm still not connected with Teksavvy yet, but I will say I am quite impressed with the speed of Bell's response; coming on the weekend and all. I don't know if Teksavvy had anything to do with that or not.

The saga continues.

I'd like to know what Rogers response will be once legitimate businesses (i.e. movie distributors like the newly formed Bittorrent Entertainment Network) start using BT for 'legal' downloads?

There are already very legitimate reasons to use torrents, like downloading Linux distributions. I don't think Rogers is shaping because of the content (or at least they would never say that is the reason). Their justification is that they have to ensure there is enough bandwidth left over for other uses.

Basically, they are unwilling or unable to meet the bandwidth demands of torrents, so they throttle them.

I agree with daveycanuck. If you didn't make it to the end of his post:One thing that I don't understand is why they appear to be putting a hard throttle on the P2P traffic instead of applying 'quality of service' rules to it. QoS would allow distinctions between tiers of services such that services that have latency issues (VoIP, etc.) could be high priority, 'core' services (http, https, smtp) have a medium priority and everything else (P2P, etc.) would be able to use whatever is left over. That way everybody can do their online banking without being impacted by bittorrent and the P2P services will continue to work as best as the network will support.

The connection was still dropping repeatedly, so I called Teksavvy support Friday night. They said it was a problem with the Bell line and they would put in a service call to Bell Repair.

Bell phoned last night ( Saturday ) and said a technician would be here today. He showed up just before noon and made several trips to the CO and back. He finally said that the problem is noise on the lines between my house and the CO; a line repair tech will be 'dispatched within 24 hrs'.

So, I'm still not connected with Teksavvy yet, but I will say I am quite impressed with the speed of Bell's response; coming on the weekend and all. I don't know if Teksavvy had anything to do with that or not.

The saga continues.
At least you're getting somewhere. Want to hear (well, read) a good saga? Here's what's been happening to me.

I sign up with Teksavvy on Feb. 15, and have confirmation on the 16th that my installation will occur by the 20th, which was later confirmed by Bell to Teksavvy to be ON the 20th. Cool, right? Wrong! Bell never showed up.

I call Teksavvy on the 21st, they check with Bell, and tell me that Bell "didn't finish the job", and that a tech should show up by the 23rd, later confirmed to be ON the 23rd (Friday). Friday morning, I get a phone call from the Bell technician, and he was confused. He wanted to make sure I was living where he was dispatched. Turns out that Bell ignored the address that Teksavvy gave them and used my old address where I was living when I cancelled everything that was Bell related in 2005.

As it turns out, Bell DID install the Dry Loop on the 20th, but at the wrong address. Now, I normally wouldn't blame the technician since he did the job at the address he was given if it wasn't for one big factor: he installed the Dry Loop even though the house was empty and for sale. HELLO!!!!!

Unfortunately, the technician on Friday couldn't just change the work order (or have it changed), so now there's a tentative date of the 27th, but it's still not confirmed. This is worrying me a little since my Rogers internet gets disconnected on the 28th...

Here's hoping...........

Gee metalhawk, you make me feel like the guy who was upset he had no shoes - then saw a man with no legs. ;)

The line repair guy showed up about an hour after my post yesterday. He did some more fiddling, and managed to get us a crystal clear voice line ( we were hearing radio stations on the phone before ). My modem hasn't dropped the connection since, but the error stats are very high.

My connection speed is just barely 2Mbps. The noise margin is less than 7dB and the attenuation is over 60dB. According to specs, that's very poor. I'm within 2Km from the CO, so the numbers should be much better. Bell is sending out another tech with a diagnostic gadget ( Sunset Tester? ). I'm just waiting for that now.

I hope you get things resolved soon.

The legitimacy of the bittorrent protocol cannot be denied. Especially when legal and studio supported download services have started popping up.


From the Globe and Mail (http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20070226.wbittorrent0226/BNStory/Technology/home):

The BitTorrent Entertainment Network was set to launch Monday with films from Warner Bros., Paramount Pictures, 20th Century Fox, Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer and Lionsgate and episodes of TV shows such as “24” and “Punk'd.”

To help wean users to paying for content, BitTorrent is featuring content and pricing that appeals to its target demographic — males between the ages of 15 and 35.

TV episodes are $1.99 to download to own, which is typical for competitor sites such as Apple Inc.'s iTunes.

The new site will rent movies for a 24-hour viewing period for $3.99 for new titles and $2.99 for older films, but the site has decided not to sell films for now because the prices demanded by the studios were too high.

The service also will offer Japanese anime and high-definition video, which is popular with its users. Individuals will be able to publish their works to the site, which will compete for attention beside studio content.

TorontoInternet,
See this thread http://www.digitalhome.ca/forum/showthread.php?p=450528#post450528, post #2.

daveycanuck,
thanks for that great post. Do you think limiting/reducing the number of outbound connections helps? utorrent allows the user to resolve IP's of connected peers. I'm wondering if limiting the number of connections, and then booting slow and distant peers would trick out the packet sniffers.
I've read some annecdotal evidence that indicates that that the number of peers may be a factor. Furthermore, some people have indicated that they are able to get reasonable performance if they have only one torrent running at a time. Perhaps there is a threshold that once passed causes the throttling to kick in. Another factor may be the placement of the shaping devices and I really don't know the answer to this. It has been suggested on other boards that these devices may only be setup at the egress points of the Rogers network which would indicate that P2P will still work *between* peers inside the Rogers cloud. If this is the case then it might explain why many folks can get a good torrent going (peers within the cloud) but then it immediatly drops off (hit peers outside of the cloud or surpassed some threshold) which caused a rule to go into play to throttle down the traffic. Unfortuantly its all conjecture without more to go on.

I haven't looked but I'll bet there is a way within one of the torrent apps (doesn't matter which one) to limit the address space of peers. Might be worth a shot to limit it to Roger's address space and see what happens. Not a useful scenario in a practical sense but it would provide some more data to understand how the network is configured.

Could Rogers' network really be in this much trouble? I can see moderate throttling, but this current situation is ridiculous. I tried to download a torrent last night through Rogers and it was running at a WHOPPING 400 bytes/sec. WOW! Thanks Rogers! Through SecureIX, I got ~120K. On a friend's connection with Bell, it downloaded at 450K.

If I want to download the Kubuntu DVD ISO, it would take 62 days with Rogers on my connection. Absolutely stunning....

Some info on torrents. I was using Azureus before it got throttled to practically nothing. I switched to uTorrent and at least it can d/l, though the upload speed is throttled to 1-2kb/s.

On SecureIX, I noticed that uTorrent crashes my router every few hours, even though the number of connections is not very high.

With roughly the same number of connections, Azureus runs just fine for days on SecureIX.

Isn't there a lawyer among us who reads this thread and could comment on the legality of what Rogers is doing and what can thousands of customers do about it.

Bell determined that although I was within a Km of the CO, my phone line went on a 6Km sightseeing tour to get there. They said that they made some adjustments and removed a bridge tap that was the source of the noisy line.

Now I have a better noise margin of 12dB instead of 6dB, but the attenuation is still over 60dB. Nothing can be done about that. As a result, I am limited to 2.5Mbps. At least now the line is stable with no DSL disconnects. Woohoooo!

So back to the main topic of this thread (slow torrents)....

I did 3 test torrent downloads of over 800MB each. I was able to get a fairly consistent total download speed of over 200KB. At times it peaked to almost 250KB; close to my bandwidth limit of 2.5Mbps.

I have not yet cancelled my Rogers HSI; I'll let it overlap with Teksavvy for the month of March, and do some further testing on both services. But as it looks now, it's a much better deal with Teksavvy at $30./mo vs. Rogers Lite at $35/mo - 2.5 times the speed, no fixed 60GB cap, and no torrent throttling.

Sounds good, Still not sure what I am going to do..Rogers is a big company and I feel more secure..But this is killing me.

I still got my rogers modem which I bought for $99, So I feel riped off.

I still got my rogers modem which I bought for $99, So I feel riped off.

Your choice of ISP is just that... your choice. If it's not worth $99 to you just to make a point, then stay with Rogers. A friend at work who has Rogers Express says that the torrent bit rate seems to be picking up lately. Maybe the throttling algorythm needed tweaking, or maybe the bandwidth clutter is clearing up as people cancel Rogers. Either way, that's good for anyone intending to stay with Rogers.

Personally, I think that DSL service is more open to competition and that will keep the prices reasonable ( with the notable exception of Sympatico ). You can move to another provider if you think that you're not getting the service you want; that's something you can't do with a cable modem.

If I still had Rogers Cable TV or even a Rogers cell phone, I probably would stay with their HSI service. The torrent rate might improve with time, and when it becomes illegal to file share in Canada, the torrent traffic will probably decrease to a point where they can remove the restrictions altogether. Just my opinion

Well, my story has a mixed ending. The tech showed up today and my DSL connection is working. The problem is very crappy speeds due to distance from the CO and possible bad lines in my building. I am barely getting 1.5 Mbps, and that's with a line occupency of 98%. It's only a matter of time before my profile gets dropped a notch. My attenuation is over 63. VERY bad. Looks like it's back to Rogers for me.

Why not try Velcom?

http://www.velcom.ca/prices.htm

Will there really be no way to bypass the throttle?..

I have noticed a severe drop-off in newsgroup download speed. Used to connect at about 2.0 Mps, but now get about 0.5 MPS.
Tried different newsgroup supplier - same result.
Browser bandwidth speed tests still around 2.0 Mps.
My ISP not Bell, but they use Bell DSL lines.
Connected to a busy VPN server, and speeds moved up to about 1.0Mps. Bell can't see this traffic as Newsgroup activity.
Only conclusion I can make is that bell is limiting bandwidth on Newsgroup connections.