The PS3 won't upscale Resistance (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=4849568#post4849568), which is a 720p game. The PS3 will just output it at 720p or 480p, and will NOT upscale it to 1080i.

That means that if your TV does not accept 720p (which is many older TVs), then you are stuck 480p.

That's a big disappointment.

But it does not make any sense to me -- something not right here - why would the Ps3 have an option in the setup for 1080i ?

Xbox 360 has this option and it works perfectly so you can upscale to 1080i, seems logical since there are some many TV's out there that do not support 720p natively - only 480i, 480p and 1080i. Not good news at all.

I am wondering if this will affect me. I have a samsung HPR 5072...this model is just over one year old. I have searched but cannot find it's native resolution. What I find is that it supports 480i, 480p, 720p and 1080i. Any help is appreciated.
Thanks

As final PlayStation 3 units continue to trickle into more and more hands, additional details about how the system works and what it can and can't do are hitting the web. The latest (rather major) tidbit is how the console treats the upscaling and downscaling of 720p titles on televisions that don't support that resolution -- specifically those that are 1080i capable.

As it turns out, gamers who own older HD sets that boast only 480i, 480p, and 1080i resolutions will have 720p signals downsized to 480 instead of being upscaled to 1080i. We tested this development on older television sets with max-720 games Resistance: Fall of Man, NHL 2K7, Tiger Woods PGA Tour 07, and Need for Speed Carbon. Sure enough, the system downscaled all four titles to 480p rather than moving up to 1080i.http://ps3.ign.com/articles/746/746282p1.html?RSSwhen2006-11-15_152700&RSSid=746282

Juventus - your ok - you wrote down 720p so no worries for you but I guarantee there will be alot of dissappointed people on friday after they boot this sucker up and find they are only getting 480p max resolution!

Wow. So let me get this straight. My Sony CRT HDTV, which outputs everything at 1080i, would make every 720p game on the PS3 look like an Xbox 1 title?

Weird indeed.

Wow. So let me get this straight. My Sony CRT HDTV, which outputs everything at 1080i, would make every 720p game on the PS3 look like an Xbox 1 title?

Weird indeed.
Depends on how your Sony works. For 720p games:

If your TV can take a 720p signal and upscale it to 1080i, then you're fine.

If your TV cannot take a 720p at all, then it will be at 480p quality. Yes, it's that stupid.

Does this affect BluRay movies as well or just games? Is it all games? I have a Hitachi 57T500 rear projection CRT and I'm worried I'm not going to be able to upconvert to 1080i.

Games only. BD movies will output at whatever you choose in the ps3 setup. Still the best BD player value.

I would not use the term MANY to describe the quantity of 720p-less inputs on HDTVs. I say that because if a TV is branded with the HDTV logo then it MUST support this input resolution. I am going to modify the title so we don't get a hundred misunderstood posts.

I suggest if you find an HDTV that does not accept 730p you list it here. I think you will discover they are hard to find.

This is from Wiki.

In order to be awarded the label “HD ready” a display device has to cover the following requirements.
HD capable inputs accept the following HD video formats:
1280x720 @ 50 and 60Hz progressive scan (“720p”), and
1920x1080 @ 50 and 60Hz interlaced (“1080i”)

It's not that many TVs in general do not support 720p, but that many CRT based TVs sold in the last few years do not. CRT televisions are becoming increasingly more difficult to find these days with the popularity of the DLP/LCD/Plasmas so if you buy a TV today you are almost guaranteed to support 720p. That being said, if you have a CRT (direct view or rear projection) I would say your chances of supporting 720p are much less. My brother-in-law purchased his Samsung RP-CRT television a year ago and it does not support 720p, only 480i/p and 1080i and I was recently at Future Shop and saw that they had a direct view CRT (a Sony model no less) that also did not support 720p.

Please understand we are talking about INPUT resolution and not DISPLAY resolution. Very few modern CRTs display 720p anyway. However, they ALL accept 720p input and DISPLAY it as 1080i.

Please understand we are talking about INPUT resolution and not DISPLAY resolution. Very few modern CRTs display 720p anyway. However, they ALL accept 720p input and DISPLAY it as 1080i.
Not true. My brother-in-law's RP-CRT that he bought a year ago does not accept a 720p signal. I have tested it with the 360 and it will only accept 480i/p and 1080i.

Curious is it branded 'HDTV Ready'? I suspect it is not. What model # is it for the record? I am not discounting your testimony but just try to clear the air.

Please understand we are talking about INPUT resolution and not DISPLAY resolution. Very few modern CRTs display 720p anyway. However, they ALL accept 720p input and DISPLAY it as 1080i.

I am little confused so is it safe to assume that I am screwed in my case if I want to play games with a Ps3? I dont have a CRT - i have a rear projection pioneer elite 510 and my manual says my tv supports 480i, 480p and 1080i.

This is his TV, the product number is HC-R4751W.
http://www.samsung.com/ca/products/tv/rearprojectiontv/hcr4751wxxac.asp

I am little confused so is it safe to assume that I am screwed in my case if I want to play games with a Ps3? I dont have a CRT - i have a rear projection pioneer elite 510 and my manual says my tv supports 480i, 480p and 1080i.
You do have a CRT, it's just a rear projection CRT. If your TV can not accept a 720p signal (which there is a chance it can not) then when you play a PS3 game that is 720p (like Resistance or many others I would gather) then it will be displayed in 480p.

A few years ago, there were quite a few HDTVs that didn't accept 720P (many Panasonics, Mitsubishis, etc.). This has always been an issue for gamers and is nothing new.

So, check the specs for your TV to see if it ACCEPTS 720P. Very few HDTVs actually have a native display resolution of 720P, with many being 768P, 788P, 1080i, 1024P and lately 1080P, however, that doesn't matter - what matters is if it ACCEPTS 720P inputs, which most newer HDTVs do.

PS - All consumer CRT-based TVs have a native HD format of 1080i.

Some generalizations: Most LCDs and Plasmas are 768P and DLPs are 720P.

Elnino you are right for that TV.

COMPONENT Input jacks
(Y, PB, PR, AUDIO-L/R)
Connect to the audio and video outputs of DVD or
DTV Set-Top Box. 480i/480p/1080i Y,PB and PR video
signal outputs are available.

Interestingly I could not find a single reference to HDTV in the manual however the website proudly lists it as an HDTV. So technically it is not an HDTV.

Same deal with the Pioneer James listed. It does NOT accept 720p input. Yet it is called HDTV Ready. :confused:

What I suspect is that the use of the logo is regulated but not the letters HDTV. I say this because I saw a strange HDTV logo on one TV. It was not the standard HDTV logo we are all used to seeing.

Anyways I apologize to you El Nino. I should have looked a little closer before making these claims. I guess i trusted the 'system' a little too much. :D

This whole discussion is the lingering aftermath of the entire 720p/1080i HD format debate.

The overwhelming majority of the early HDTV sets were CRT based and did not accept 720p inputs.