: CBC HD Hockey - Split from Official CBC Thread
2007-05-14, 08:56 PM
The picture seems to be fluttering at times. It a moiré effect with digital photography. I don't know any other way of describing it.
I have noticed it in the last 3 games I have watched ... but this evening it seems particularly noticeable.
A moiré pattern is usually seen if your sharpness or edge enhancements are set too high. Also, it's a lot less likely on true HD signals than SD/WS.
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2007-05-14, 09:38 PM
I have not noticed the "fluttering" but have seen a couple of highly pixellated screens. Nothing too crazy.
2007-05-14, 09:47 PM
My sharpness is set 2 notches less than center ... Sony KV36XBR400. I set up my TV using Avia and Digital Video Essentials.
I have not notice this effect on any other broadcast ... live sports in HD (I watch lots of baseball in hd) or regular HD programming.
You can see the effect particularly on the boards ... the wide yellow stripe. It is happening only when the camera is panning.
I have not seen any pixelation.
2007-05-14, 10:53 PM
CBC Toronto OTA just disapeared at the end of the overtime, but now it's back
Inoticed that too. Same thing again tonight.
No OTA HD (CBLT-DT) . I watched SD via BEV.
MY OTA tuner indicated that the signal was 10/10 but gave me an error message: "No A/V". Program guide data was correct indicating that some signal elements was being decoded.
Weird. Any other OTA'ers seeing this problem?
2007-05-15, 08:17 AM
Hey Marc, is there any talk of HNIC leterboxing the SD version of its HD broadcasts.....do you think we'll ever see this????
2007-05-15, 09:11 AM
HA! Good luck!
Everything should be framed for HD, and even letterboxed, but it will never happen.
Look at Sportsnet, they no longer letterbox Jays on the SD channels. Total regression IMO.
An MPEG encoder died. It's has been replaced.
That's Production's call. Technically it can be done at any time. I have not heard any such talk. You know the issues...:rolleyes:
2007-05-15, 12:17 PM
Thanks Marc, no issues just nice to have from an "HD framing" point of view.
2007-05-16, 03:32 PM
The problem was on my end. Once my tuner failed to get a A/V from CBLT-DT, it wouldn't re-attempt until I did a full bandwidth rescan.
Thanks Marc for the update about the MPEG encoder. How long does it usually take to replace when a problem like that happens; i.e. hours/days?
Weeks. Luckily we have a spare.
2007-05-18, 12:12 AM
the game tonight is the most compressed HD game I've ever seen on CBC. Lots of artificacts and pixeling in the picture, not so much macroblocking, just little bits of distortion in the image
2007-05-18, 12:58 AM
Same here at the other end of the country-guess we can't blame Shaw for this one. The worst I've seen here by far.
2007-05-18, 01:07 AM
actually the picture was quite sharp, and the colours were nice and vivid. But then then there was the evidence of the compression over top of the nice image. i'd actually rather have it like that then some of the dull, blurry looking games I've seen from the encore truck.
2007-05-18, 01:10 AM
Bill Houston from Globe and Mail -
Hockey Night in Canada play-by-play voice Bob Cole has made a couple of gaffes in the Ottawa-Buffalo series. In one, he substituted Harold Druken for Buffalo's Chris Drury. Druken, who never played for the Sabres, has been out of the NHL for three years.
Then, on Wednesday, with less than three minutes remaining in the fourth game and Buffalo clinging to a one-goal lead, Cole announced the Sabres had taken a penalty.
The camera alertly went to Buffalo head coach Lindy Ruff to catch one of his typical reactions, which would be anything from screaming to drooling spittle to gnawing on the boards. But Ruff was remarkably composed. The CBC went to a commercial.
Back to the game, and the first words we heard were from Cole. "Surprise, surprise," he said. "It wasn't a Buffalo penalty. Ottawa's Dany Heatley is in the box for highsticking."
2007-05-18, 10:02 AM
Those were big gaffes, but they are typical of Bob Cole's work. Almost everything he says falls into one of three categories:
1. A gaffe like the ones described - and most times he doesn't bother to correct himself.
2. A mistaken anticipation of what is about to happen (eg. "And Redden will clear the zone - no he didn't!") This must happen about a dozen times a period.
3. Some kind of ridiculous or simple-minded remark or statement of the obvious that adds nothing to the broadcast either in terms of information or entertainment.
Add to that Harry Neale who is far inferior to the colour analysts on the American broadcasts when it comes to providing real analysis of what is happening on the ice. He has a firm grasp on the obvious as well. It's time for some new blood.
2007-05-19, 03:18 PM
Is it me or is there a TON of macroblocking on CBCHD's coverage of the Sens-Sabres Game 5 right now? Any type of panning creates a blurred images.
May have to check out NBC's coverage.
2007-05-19, 03:22 PM
i gave CBC all of 5 seconds, before switching to NBC. What a mess, the Ottawa game is identical to the Anaheim-Detroit game two nights ago, just a jungle of macroblocks and flashing video grain.
Someone has gone wrong thats for sure. Thank goodness for NBC-HD
2007-05-19, 03:44 PM
But that would mean listening to Pierre Mcguire. I rather watch the game in B&W.