I think only those stations that have been approved since the WB network came into being will be affected by the need to appear before the commission again.

If I recall correctly, WSBK has been approved for years.. and mainly for the sports content.. ditto WPIX.

SM24,

Rogers is blowing smoke as usual. WPIX, WSBK and KTLA will need not be re-approved by the CRTC because all 3 of these stations were approved long before they were even affiliated with the WB or UPN. There network affiliation isn't even mentioned in the eligible signal list.

WNYO and WNLO will not need to be re-approved either as these are OTA stations. Both of these stations were approved on the basis that most of their programming was not replicated on Toronto TV Stations and would have little impact on their revenue. Although Rogers reasons for adding these stations were to have a UPN and WB affiliate the reason with the CRTC is just "programming" and not the network affiliate per se.

Well, I'm not sure. i have send an email to David Purdy and Mike Lee to have some confirmation.

Well, I'm not sure. i have send an email to David Purdy and Mike Lee to have some confirmation.

Are you dropping names?

Am I dropping names. Yes I am Dropping names. I stated that i send a email them to have some clarfication

I personally think that the only way WNLO or WNYO will be dropped from the line-up is if one of them decides to change to a religous station, spanish station or shopping channel. As long as the format is not one of those 3 things I doubt either of the stations will go.

I'm not sure the issue here. All the superstations were added on the basis of them being superstations; long before either the WB or UP were ever created. If they become independents again, we've come full circle; that's all.

And WNLO and WNYO were added based on lack of overlapping programming with Canadian stations. This would be even more true if they were independents again.

Why are we making mountains out of molehills?

Nick

I'm not sure the issue here. All the superstations were added on the basis of them being superstations; long before either the WB or UP were ever created. If they become independents again, we've come full circle; that's all.



Yes, exactly. I can remember when we first got them as scrambled (Pay-TV) channels. I'm sure they won't be removed because really nothing about the conditions of licence has been affected. It's only the U.S. network affiliation that will have changed on these "superstations"

Well. this is what I was told but thye won;t know until a few weeks what's going to take place.

The change over is 9 months away. I doubt anyone will know anything before the summer. Like I already said, I doubt any of the stations will be dropped. Besided the vast majority of the programs will remain the same. Only the programs between 8 - 10 pm will change as thats the only programing block that plays network programing.

I was watching channel 1 (the Rogers Digital cable channel) this morning and it mentioned that RTP, NDTV and TV Globo were NOW available.
I called rogers, the CSRs say they don't see that Globo has been launched yet.
I flipped through all 600 series channels and couldn't find a new channel there.
I even took a picture of the message on my digital camera to email to them and ask.
Does anyone know anything else?

For those who want to see, I posted the picture here: http://img466.imageshack.us/img466/307/tvgloborogers13im.jpg

I spoke with a Marketing guy from Rogers, he recognized their mistake and the "false message" was removed from their channel.

No ETA when TV Globo will be avialable though.


For those who want to see, I posted the picture here: http://img466.imageshack.us/img466/307/tvgloborogers13im.jpg

Kudos to CTV/BellGlobemedia for bringing back MTV Canada.
The big question is will MTV Canada be on par with the US version. The old MTV Canada was pure **** and I assume it's because they couldn't bring a lot of the MTV programming out of the States so that they don't compete with MM. If you ask me I would take MTV US over MM. Not that this will happen but people can dream.

I am predicting that the MTV that CTV/BGM bring to Canada will be pure crap too. It will probably have tunes of re-runs of Degrassi, Instant Star and Canadian Idol. THey have to have someing like 67% Canadian Content and 71% Canadian Content during primetime. Do you really think BGM is going to invest in a lot of original programming? I doubt it. Look at how long Talk TV has been on the air and they really don't do anything with this station but re-run shows that are readily available on basic cable.

The CRTC are a bunch of communist ****rags! The TV market should be free enterprise - those who can survive remain on the air while those who don't don't. This policy will encourage creativity from the networks and offers the consumer the best deal. With the system that we have in place right now, the customer pays money for garbage just because they happen to live in Canada and have to put up with inferior Canadian programming trying to imitate US channels.

Powerstream: but with that kind of set up most of the Non-US english speaking countries television just won't have the budget to compete and we'll lose a lot of the programming that distinuishes the different countries. If that came into effect there'd probably be little to none in the way of Canadian programming, IMO.

With the exception of local channels, in my opinion Canadian programming sucks. Very few channels are unique. The rest just try to copy the channels from the States with pathetic results. The Canadians are responsible for this. It is their lack of creativity which is to blame. I'll give you a simple example: TRL on MTV. That show has been on since the late 90s. MM never bothered putting together a show like that here. Only after a few years of TRL running on MTV and having build a strong following, MM put together Much on Demand, a cheap attempt to copy TRL. This sort of thing is plaguing all the channels who are trying to copy US channels and deliver to us a "Canadian" version of it - they're too busy trying to imitate rather than hatching their own unique and creative ideas. They're always following instead of leading. And whenever they do come up with some ideas and their own shows they turn out to be utterly boring. Just look at the Discovery Channel here and the original one in the States. What a difference in the quality of programming.

So you'd be completely happy with 100% american tv all the time? If something like that ever happened I can just imagine a big room filled with Americans high fiving each other since they'd be one step closer to making their little brother of the north into one of them.

You may think Canadian programming sucks but I'm sure there are Canadians out there that will disagree. We also just don't have the budget for the big blockbuster primetime shows that the US does. CBC has put together some programming that has big followings here and with CTV corner gas is one of my favourite shows. But when it comes down to it all your local channels would be gone and you'd have to be listening to the radio for your canadian news cause we wouldn't be able to afford a network.

Also I don't think this would be the best for the consumer, we'd be forced to watch whatever the rich and powerful want us to (whether it's good or not). Creativity will fade out and we'd be worse off than we are now with our limited American broadcasting.

Quite frankly I'd just be much happier having all the options we have right now but adding the ability to pick up more channels from more countries. I'd love to get all the sky-one networks on top of what I've got now, but that's just a dream in a far off land.

So you'd be completely happy with 100% american tv all the time? If something like that ever happened I can just imagine a big room filled with Americans high fiving each other since they'd be one step closer to making their little brother of the north into one of them.

You may think Canadian programming sucks but I'm sure there are Canadians out there that will disagree. We also just don't have the budget for the big blockbuster primetime shows that the US does. CBC has put together some programming that has big followings here and with CTV corner gas is one of my favourite shows. But when it comes down to it all your local channels would be gone and you'd have to be listening to the radio for your canadian news cause we wouldn't be able to afford a network.

Also I don't think this would be the best for the consumer, we'd be forced to watch whatever the rich and powerful want us to (whether it's good or not). Creativity will fade out and we'd be worse off than we are now with our limited American broadcasting.


I understand what powerstream is saying as I do live on both sides of the border. The problem with canadian content is exactly that, it's the content and the substance of the channel in general.

I have 32 HD channels with Rogers. I have 16 HD channels with Brighthouse networks in Florida.

My lineup with Brighthouse is as follow:

1150 WCEU (PBS)
1151 WCEU (PBS)
1152 WCEU (PBS)
1153 WCEU (PBS)
1165 WRBW (UPN)
1180 WKCF (WB)
1243 HBO (HDTV)
1259 Showtime (HDTV)
1300 INHD
1301 INHD2
1302 HDNet
1303 HDNet Movies
1304 Universal HD
1311 TNT HD
1329 ESPN HD
1341 Discovery HD Theater

Now I would grab Discovery HD, ESPN HD and HDNET, 3 channels over the 32 Rogers offers. Why?

substance


Quite frankly I'd just be much happier having all the options we have right now but adding the ability to pick up more channels from more countries. I'd love to get all the sky-one networks on top of what I've got now, but that's just a dream in a far off land.

The problem with that is exactly what TV networks are scared of. Think about it. ESPN or The Score, HDNET or SUNTV HD, MTV/VH1 or MM, HBO or TMN. When it's all said and done as much as you love your canadian programming it would falter to the better product. In free markets the better product or best deal is king.

What the CRTC and canadian TV networks are doing is only setting us back 15 years.

I should throw this in to, HDPVR with Brighthouse 7$ a month. HDPVR with Rogers 25$.

You can stick with the Canadian programming all you want but if Brighthouse networks ever came to Ottawa with there programming I wouldn't even have to think twice about switching and 90% of the people would follow me.

It's all about the substance