: ON - City of Toronto Metro Area <OUTDOOR Antennas Only> - OTA
2012-06-08, 07:09 PM
I just helped a friend solve a problem with his dish. He had complained that he would lose signal every morning between 6 and 8 am. Eventually all signal was lost. I isolated the problem and had to replace a section of cable. It could have been the condensation (that happens at that point in the morning) that ate away at an imperfection in the cable. Could that be your problem as well ? Good luck!
2012-06-09, 10:53 AM
ION is a hit and miss for me.only receive it during spring and summer months.what kind of amp do you have hooked up to your C2V?
2012-06-09, 12:47 PM
Anyone else having trouble with City rf44? The signal on my Samsung LN40C630 is fluctuating between no lock and 23-24 SNR quite quickly with the average SNR around 19-20. The signal seems weak overall, but does the fluctuation indicate multipath. There are trees between the tower and my antenna, and they are close to me, ie. in my neighbours' yards.
I don't see the problem with OMNI 1 rf47 also from the CN Tower, its signal is stronger and more stable at my location. Everything else from the tower is just fine.
2012-06-09, 10:57 PM
I have a Winegard HDP269. I'm fairly close to the tower, so needed something which could handle stronger signals without overloading. Last summer I was using only the Terk HDTVi with no pre-amp, and was getting excellent DXing results with it.
2012-06-10, 08:53 AM
the reason why im asking is because i was at a flea market over the weekend and i saw a c2v brand new in the box for sale.your setup came to mind.it was tempting......
2012-06-10, 10:21 AM
Do you have access to the outdoors to put the C2V, even if not permanently? I have mine mounted on an IKEA lamp pole, so can move it around on the balcony when DXing, and it comes inside once the weather gets too cold to have the balcony slider open slightly. In the winter I use both the C2V and the Terk indoors. They are hooked up with an A/B switch, and are aimed in slightly different directions. The Terk doesn't like 5.1 CBLT with the blades in the horizontal position, but if I put them in the vertical position which will pick it up, it kills most of my Buffalo stations. The C2V doesn't like 5.1 CBLT when inside either. With the dual antenna set up, I can leave the Terk blades in the vertical position, use the C2V as my main antenna and just hit the A/B switch if I want to watch CBLT. In the summer outside, of course, the C2V is the only antenna in use, as it picks up everything.
Nothing like egging you on, of course, but if it is a genuine C2V and not a knock off, and is cheaper than the mainstream stores sell it for, then I'd be inclined to grab it to play with.
2012-06-10, 10:41 AM
this vendor seems pretty legit.he also sells CM products amongst others,as well as FTA satellite equipment.myself and the gf were walking by his booth and there it was brand new in the box.i went and asked how much,and the price was comparable to what ive seen it listed for.i dont have access to mounting it outside,but i can mount it similar to yours on a lightstand by my window where i have my Terk.
2012-06-10, 12:23 PM
Indoors expect roughly the same number of channels that a Terk can get, although the signal levels may be a bit higher. I know I get FOX 29 more reliably with the C2V indoors than I do with the Terk. One other issue - the C2V, while not huge, will take up more space in your living room. Is there anyone else in your household who will have conniption fits about that? I'm a single Mom, so can more or less do as I please in that regards. My teen didn't like the sight of it at first, but was soon made happy by the fact she could watch her favourite Judge Judy shows without so many break ups. I lessen the width a bit by not having the VHF dipoles fully raised - just enough so that CHCH comes in reliably. I actually do the same outdoors as well - not because of space (or eyeball!!) considerations, but because of the pigeons. When I had them clamped into the extended position, they considered it a handy perch. They had a nasty shock when they tried to perch on them when I didn't have them clamped, and one went for an unexpected ride when the dipole collapsed under his weight.
2012-06-10, 10:22 PM
City TV is MIA. I have not been able to get any reception from City Toronto tonight. Now I live near downtown (east of the DVP) and have not experienced this before, at least not with City.
2012-06-11, 12:31 AM
lol,no one will have a conniption,live alone,the dog is leary of the Terk on the window ledge though.gotta luv those pigeons.....:rolleyes:
2012-06-12, 08:18 AM
To Bent Toronto
Did you keep the 4-bay 4221HD?
If so, re-install it.
Point the 4-bay at Toronto, point the 8-bay at Buffalo, connect the two with a signal combiner, and you'll get all the channels.
I did this in Ajax in summer 2011.
El Gran Chico
2012-06-14, 11:32 AM
Conditions where good this morning to play a bit with my A-D C5. I was able to receive WHAM (Rochester RF 13) and WHEC (Rochester RF 10) but still not able to get WBBZ strong enough for a lock. Oddly at the same time I was only able to get 1 of the 3 Rochester UHF channels (WROC RF 45), so I guess the conditions were just good (and not great).
Looks like I will need great conditions (at least) to haul in WBBZ with a C5 mounted 16' AGL.
2012-06-14, 12:40 PM
Ok so its been a while since i've posted questions or issues and i wanted to update for those in my area (manning and dupont)
I tried the CS2, CM4221HD and now the DB4e, with and without a pre-amp (the 7778). My goal and issues was getting cbs, nbc and pbs (well abc too sometimes but i dont care about it)
I have pointed the antennas everywhich way and right now I am getting the most channels i ever had with the db4e (mast mounted) and guess where I am pointing it? NNW!! I am aiming it somewhere between the retirement building on the est side of christie more towards the middle of the brown buildings on the east side of christie) (sorry i didnt have my compass up there at the time)
Any experienced OTA could you perhaps explain why I get better results doing this then aiming it south? (its basically exactly 180 degrees from how I would expect to be pointing it?
i have pretty good line of site, really only one Big tree in the way and thats pretty far from me?
2012-06-14, 01:10 PM
You're getting your signals bounced off a nearby building. Lots of us do that if we don't have direct line of sight to the tower. I am on the tenth floor facing west, and have my C2V on the balcony, aiming at an apartment building directly to the north west of me. I get 24 regular channels that way. I don't count 2.1 WGRZ as a regular channel, as it isn't reliable for me, but of the Buffalo channels I do get 4.1 WIVB, 7.1 WKBW, 17.1 WNED-HD, 17.2 WNED-SD, 17.3 WNED-TH, 23.1 WNLO, 26.1 WNBY-SD, 26.2 WNYB-HD, 26.3 WNYBSD2, 26.4 WNYBSD3, 29.1 WUTV and 29.2 TCN reliably year round.
2012-06-14, 01:27 PM
oh ok thanks. I guess i wonder though why I cant get them as well pointing directly since i've got pretty good line of site. Anyway as long as its sustainable I am happy with it. cbs crackles a little but and FOX is actually worse than before (I always got fox no matter what i did)
do you think adding the VHF add on to the CS2 would make it perhaps better than what i am getting now with the DB4e?
OH and for those of you with a TIVO, I am getting the channels ON the TIVO also!!! which is really quite amazing but the solution I found that worked best was adding in a splitter on the line before the distribution amp. without it, the quality was worse on the tivo.
2012-06-14, 07:40 PM
The VHF add-on for the CS2 is mainly handy for CHCH Hamilton, which is moving to UHF 15 in the not too distant future anyways. You should be picking up our other local VHF channel, CFTO with no problems because it is so close, but I know some people do have problems with CHCH if they only have a UHF antenna. If you enjoy some summer DXing, then the VHF add-on may help you grab some distant VHF signals. My C2V picked up the VHF channel WBBZ Buffalo the other day, although it wasn't really watchable, and I've also snagged CFPL, a VHF channel from London, which actually was watchable for awhile. I've never picked up CKVR Barrie, (also VHF), but that may be because it is blocked by a building to my immediate north west. I know others in the GTA have picked it up, but its not an easy one. I'm hoping I'll be able to pick up the Hamilton repeater on UHF 35 for that one when it goes live.
2012-06-15, 12:41 AM
i have my terk hdtva aimed northeast at a building approx a quarter mile away and i get 20 stations reliably,more during the summer tropo season.signal deflection is a good thing.:)
hi, i can receive the follow channels using the antennas direct C2V antenna that is feed into a hauppage 1800 PC card. i have connected the supplied RG6 cable (30 feet) to the UHF antenna bypassing the VHF antenna. I bypassed VHF antenna because it didn't seem too do much good, and removing the combiner increased the signal level.
antenna installed, approx 12 feet up, to house, in corner. (aimed at buffalo, approx 153 degrees magn north)
the signal levels are from the signal strength meter of the 1800's signal strength app.
approx 9:48 Am.
2.1 WGRZ-HD NBC (SNR 21.8-20) (low of about 20) no correct errors
4.1 WIVB-HD CBS (SNR 22.2-21.5) (low of about 20) no correct errors
7.1 WKBW-HD ABC (SNR 21.8-20) (low of about 17 midday) 7 corr err 64ms
29.1 WUTV-HD FOX (SNR 24.5) no correct errors
2.2 WGRZ-AT (SNR 21.5) 2 corr err 64ms
5.1 CBLT-DT. (SNR 22.5) 2 corr err 64ms
9.1 CFTO. (SNR 21.7) 2 corr err 64ms
17.1 WNED-HD.(SNR 24.7-24.3) 2 corr err 64ms
17.2 WNED-HD.(SNR 24.7-24.3) 2 corr err 64ms
17.3 WNED-HD.(SNR 24.7-24.3) 2 corr err 64ms
19.1 TVO. (SNR 21.1-20) 2-6 corr err 64ms
23.1 WNLO-HD. CW (SNR 24-23) no corr err
25.1 CBLT-D CBC. (SNR 17-21) antenna aim issues... so pic drop-outs)
29.2 TCN (the country network) (SNR 24.5)
36.1 CITS-HD (SNR 18.6-19.5) 2 corr err 64ms
41.1 CIII-HD (SNR 23.5) no corr err
41.2 CIII-SD (SNR 23.5) no corr err
47.1 CFMT (SNR 19.1-21.5 cycle) 2 corr err 64 ms
49.1 WNYO-HD (SNR 23)
49.2 Cool.TV (SNR 23)
57.1 CITYTV (SNR 23)
69.1 CJMT OMNI (snr 18-20) antenna aiming issues - (uncorrectable errors)
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2012-06-22, 07:31 PM
hi all, I live in Toronto getting about 25 channels HD OTA except CBS and FOX, which are either off (mostly no signal) or sometimes great (seldom).
I looked at Google maps for
- my home
- CN Tower
and held up a ruler to the three points ..... almost a perfect line
Now, I don't know exactly where the CBS and Fox Broadcast towers are, but is it possible the CN tower is in the way?
I get NBC (2.1 and 2.2) ABC, PBS (17.1, 17.2, 17.3) perfectly, plus some other US channels
I have an Antenna Direct DB4e on a mast with a Rotor, a pre amp and only one TV connected so far