Global applied for their post-transitional services in Montreal and Halifax.

http://www.crtc.gc.ca/eng/archive/2010/2010-654.htm

In both cases they're asking to stay on their current NTSC channel at reduced power.

Halifax is proposed to be 1000w Channel 8. They claim this will INCREASE service area but I'm skeptical.

If you live in Halifax you might want to intervene and request more power.

Global applied for their post-transitional services in Montreal and Halifax.

http://www.crtc.gc.ca/eng/archive/2010/2010-654.htm

In both cases they're asking to stay on their current NTSC channel at reduced power.

Halifax is proposed to be 1000w Channel 8. They claim this will INCREASE service area but I'm skeptical.

If you live in Halifax you might want to intervene and request more power.
Global Montreal's current analog channel is 46, and their post-transitional allotment was 51.
They have applied instead for 15. I suspect this is in order to be able to use the CBC's new multi-channel antenna, which I'm assuming is designed to accomodate 15 better than 51. (CBC will be using 19 and 21 in Montreal.)

Wrt 800 Watts on channel 8 for Halifax, it might be enough for those with external antennas. Real life results with indoor rabbit ears will probably be different.

10kw on VHF 8 is not bad. But in an urban area, it has been shown that this was problematic with US stations. They should at least double it to 20kw.

Actually, CIHF plans to use a directional signal with a max ERP of only 1 kW. Average ERP is only 410 watts.
Even 5 kW on digital VHF would have been better.
20 kW ERP is what they currently use in analog.
The maps appended to CIHF's application back up Global's point about a larger coverage area than their analog operation on Channel 8, but somehow I get the feeling real-life and theory won't match up as nicely in this circumstance.

Real life vs Theory! That is something I think Global doesn't seem to understand. I remember when they set up shop in Montreal with CKMI-TV UHF 46. They claimed that their signal could cover Montreal, but the sad reality was, and still is, that their signal cannot. Almost 13 years later, I don't think they still understand when I look at their Montreal & Halifax DT proposals.

Just because your signal may cover a area does not mean that people can receive a proper signal. This will especially be evident in DT since their is no snowy image to get. Either you get a full signal lock, or you don't.

And something else that needs to be considered, what happens when fog rolls in. There have been several morning in between Montreal and Burlington, Vermont that DT reception was effected by fog. And the Burlington, Vermont stations are sending out a far stronger signal than anything that Global seems to be proposing.

The CRTC should be forced by a public outcry to demand that OTA stations have a minimum power output if they want to maintain a OTA license.

Global needs to read the Marcoux Paper (http://www.digitalhome.ca/forum/showthread.php?t=120832) and the excellent posts in our thread about it! How can they have missed that and also not listened to the NAB discussions in the U.S. about the poor penetration of post-transitional VHF-HI power level formulae? :mad:

Those are not rhetorical questions, in case someone wants to forward such info to them.

Can such information/documents help augment any CRTC interventions people might want to make? Would make for a great case, methinks.
Anyway, for the record, here is Global's prediction of their coverage in Halifax on Channel 8 with 1 kW max ERP (0.41 kW average ERP).

http://www.digitalhome.ca/forum/picture.php?albumid=505&pictureid=2979

Image courtesy of Global's application to the CRTC.

With CRTC interventions, citing technical documents and the proceedings of other authorities is good... very good!

Downbeat... that reception map proposal of CIHF-DT reception is very interesting in terms of seeing what Global TV is selling as reception in Halifax. But I doubt very much that it's accurate.

I even looked at the reception map proposal that you posted on one of the french forums concerning CKMI-DT in Montreal. Ya sure! UHF 15 at 8kw reaching down to the US border.

Another thing with CIHF. They have re-transmitters all over the place. Even just north of Halifax. You would think that they would put enough juice on their Halifax transmitter in order to have that signal reach north. That would at least allow them to shutdown some of those expensive power hungry NTSC re-transmitters. And at the same time offer DT to more people in Nova Scotia, and have a more robust signal in the Halifax urban area.

The terrain all around Halifax is rough and hilly and difficult to reach from the city's transmission sites — no doubt why they (and other TV/radio stations) put up all those repeaters so close to Halifax in the first place.

As mentioned here: http://www.digitalhome.ca/forum/showpost.php?p=1151242&postcount=6

Hi, I am new here. I live 4 kms from Hwy 102 at Elmsdale NS which is 15 kms north of the Halifax airport. I am considering using an antenna for my tv.

Can anyone tell me what kind of reception I can expect? I grew up outside of Bridgewater (100 kms from Halifax). We didn't have cable until i was a teenager. We could get cbc, ctv and global (MITV back then).

Any advise would be appreciated. Thanks

The best thing to start with is your TVFool report, (http://www.digitalhome.ca/forum/showpost.php?p=362703&postcount=10) and please paste the link to your report into a post here so that we can see what it reveals. Halifax will be getting DTV stations over the next year or two.

Been through Elmsdale a few times many years ago.

The areas in and around Truro are likely to be difficult due to the terrain,

If you're near the Briarwood Bed and Breakfast on Miller Road, according to TVFOOL you may have a chance at one digital channel, all others would likely be analog.

http://www.tvfool.com/?option=com_wrapper&Itemid=29&q=id%3da362abbe7cadb1

This is likely the only digital channel, short of installing a 100ft tower.
Channel: 29 (2.1)
Network: CTV
Maximum ERP: 742.000 kW

Just FYI … the station listed above is from Moncton — and that particular TV Fool listing is based on about double the power that CTV actually plans to use.
In all likelihood, the Halifax TV stations are a better bet for reception.
At this point, there are only analog stations in your area.
CBC, CTV and Global have applied to convert their Halifax operations to DTV. Those digital stations should become operational over the next year or two.

Not sure if anyone found this yet: http://www.crtc.gc.ca/eng/info_sht/bdt14.htm

According the the LAW as per the CRTC, ALL provincial capitals MUST be covered by the transition by the prescribed date.

Makes me happy as there has been minimal information for Fredericton but according to this, the broadcasters in Fredericton, SJ and Moncton MUST be transitioned by Aug of 2011.

Yep, that CRTC document was posted here to the OTA Forum only minutes after it was first released. :)

In some cases where a few broadcasters are still only in analog mode today, those broadcasters will likely be flash-cutting over to digital as that August 2011 date approaches. As long as they don't broadcast analog after the August 2011 date, they will be in compliance with the IC & CRTC.

I have noticed that the Barrie Muskoka areas in Ontario seem to be remaining mostly analog, unless tvfool has used bad IC info.

I just got off the phone with an engineer at CTV Halifax and got some info on the local DTV transition. This is what he knows from CTV HQ, and informal talks with local broadcast engineers:
1-Global seems like they're aiming for a flash cut by August 31, 2011.
2-CBC is looking to retrofit a very full tower for DTV transmission, but to his understanding is somehow exempt from the deadline as a public broadcaster. He of course doesn't know all the details there but didn't make it sound like the private broadcasters were taking umbrage with it.
3-CTV has ordered transmitters (Harris) and will be ordering the UHF antenna system shortly, looking to install on the C-100FM radio tower in February, give or take, with testing in March and full broadcasting in late spring or early summer. He emphasised the approximate timeline, saying things depended on when the antennas actually arrive, but I was told the CTV HD feed from Toronto has been installed at the station and is operational.

I quickly did a scan of this thread and didnt't see what I was looking for... just curious if anyone has ever seen Kalaallit Nunaata Radio's Televisio feed (aka KNR-TV) in the Atlantic provinces? I can't seem to find online what RF they broadcast on or what power, only that they provide an NTSC feed...