: Larger Hard Drive for the 6412 limited to 160 GB by firmware


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JesseJ
2006-05-19, 12:02 PM
Questions:
1. Do you think that if you put the Maxtor Quick View HD back in it would revert back?
2. How are you going to do miltiple drives?
3. Could you provide pictures for us?
Thanks!

JesseJ
2006-05-19, 12:12 PM
Capacity 40GB 80GB 100GB 120GB 160GB 200GB 250GB 300GB
Model Number 6K040L0 6L080P0 6L100P0 6L120P0 6L160P0 6L200P0 6L250R0 6L300R0
(PATA interface)
Model Number 6K040T0 6L080M0 6L100M0 6L120P0 6L160M0 6L200M0 6L250S0 6L300S0
(SATA interface)

The new addition to the QuickView portfolio of hard
drives includes the following features:
• Storage capacity up to 300GB, which translates into 300
hours of standard definition recording or 54 hours of
high definition recording available.†
http://www.maxtor.com/_files/maxtor/en_us/documentation/data_sheets/quickview_data_sheet.pdf

So according to the above, this would work: http://www.gogocity.com/VolumePrice.asp?dept_id=211&pf_id=CO02HDD0822

DCTGoddess
2006-05-19, 01:34 PM
Finally, what seems to be solid proof. Now, let's see it in action.

cavu
2006-05-19, 02:55 PM
Excuse my ignorance, but are you on Shaw?Yes I am on Shaw.

Last night I set it up to record PBS-HD (continuous HD programming) and as of this moment it is at 831 minutes and "53% Full". This suggests that it will hold about 26 hours when full.

cavu
2006-05-19, 03:05 PM
Now, let's see it in action.Am I to expect you for pizza and beer? What exactly would you like to see?! :confused:

james99
2006-05-19, 03:13 PM
According to the stat sheet, it takes 5.6gb per hour(HD) which works out to be 28.57 hours.

JesseJ
2006-05-19, 03:36 PM
According to the stat sheet, it takes 5.6gb per hour(HD) which works out to be 28.57 hours.
The HD is never empty when the recordings are at 0. There is always formatting, etc.

cavu
2006-05-19, 03:38 PM
Do you think that if you put the Maxtor Quick View HD back in it would revert back?I have no idea what you are asking.How are you going to do miltiple drives?I have to get a proper cable for the rear-panel SATA port. I have only "internal" cables at the moment. I'd like to see what the external port does with a working Motorola-formatted disk both with and without an "internal" drive in place.Could you provide pictures for us?Of what? It looks EXACTLY the same as it did before except the fine print on the disk label is different. :confused:

cavu
2006-05-19, 06:19 PM
According to the stat sheet, it takes 5.6gb per hour(HD) which works out to be 28.57 hours.On the 160GB drive the data partition is 147,581MB; at 5.6GB/hr that is 26.3hrs.

On the 120GB drive with a 109,900MB data partition, it would be 19.6hrs.

The 160GB drive has 34% greater data capacity.

JesseJ
2006-05-19, 07:34 PM
Of what?
Doing it, and the internals. Not the HDD. Sorry, should have specified.

spitoon
2006-05-19, 08:25 PM
Sounds interesting, although I'm not sure I'd try it until I'm closer to the end of my warranty period...

Pardon the ignorance, but I thought the size of the drive was limited by the Firmware? I suppose it's not surprising that a 160GB works since, technically, that is a model that exists and the Firmware would support it...but adding a 300GB one, not so sure????

CamG
2006-05-19, 09:00 PM
I see many references to how many hours the hard drive will record in HD...
Am I wrong in thinking that it really depends on the HD feed ? In other words a true HD program would use more memory than a SD program upconverted but still being broadcasted on a HD station.

Thanks
Cam

JesseJ
2006-05-20, 12:59 AM
Sounds interesting, although I'm not sure I'd try it until I'm closer to the end of my warranty period..
Technically, they are unlimited warranty's. Shaw will cover anything with the box. But, if you mess with it, and they find out, I think you're hooped.
In other words a true HD program would use more memory than a SD program upconverted but still being broadcasted on a HD station.
Programming comes in at the same bitrate no matter what is on. It could be the color bars on CBCHD, or a regular show on a network. Because it's all being sent as 1080i/720p, the bitrate is always the same (unless Shaw is lowering it, which they probably are...but even then, it's a constant)

57
2006-05-20, 01:19 PM
In other words a true HD program would use more memory than a SD program upconverted but still being broadcasted on a HD station.

As stated previously, once the 480i signal has been upconverted by the affiliate, the signal becomes HD (720P or 1080i) and the black bars are part of the image.

Shaw uses 3 HD channels per QAM (unlike some other service providers), therefore, although the broadcast bitrate does tend to vary (on Rogers for example we see bitrates from the various stations from roughly 15-18 Mb/sec) Shaw has a maximum bitrate of roughly 13 Mb/sec available with 3 channels per QAM, so that's why there's no variation in the bitrate.

OTA and Service providers with 2 HD channels per QAM have up to 19.4 Mb/sec available.

DCTGoddess
2006-05-20, 02:33 PM
Am I to expect you for pizza and beer? What exactly would you like to see?! :confused:
Show me your DCT, & I'll show you mine! ;) Joking, joking! HAHA :D And, hold the anchovies (on the pizza, that is)!

cavu
2006-05-20, 02:43 PM
Doing itHmmm ... not sure my wife would cooperate ... would a solo shot work? ;)and the internals.Five screws and the cover comes off and you can gaze at the "internals" till the cows come home.(Of course, you should use a "security bit" (http://www.newelectronx.com/proddetail.php?prod=BITMOTO) to prevent stripping the three special-head screws if you don't own your box or you might want to exchange it with Motorola or Shaw or whoever at some point in the future.)Once the cover is off, four screws remove the HDD bracket; four screws remove the hard disk. That's it. No rocket science involved.

james99
2006-05-20, 02:54 PM
Cavu, do you know if the firmware prevents you from adding a HDD that is greater than 160GB.

I assumed the 5.6gb /per hour included any overhead that the HDD was using. It seems your guess of 26 hours was pretty darn close.

57
2006-05-20, 03:00 PM
Shaw has 3 HD channels per QAM. That gives you a max bitrate of roughly 12.9 Mbps, which converts to roughly 5.8 GB/hr max.

I'm not sure if Cogeco uses 3 or 2 Ch/QAM or a mix.

Rogers Ontario is 2, Videotron is a mix.

I believe Cavu mentioned earlier that he had plans to try a 300 GB HDD after testing this 160.

james99
2006-05-20, 03:03 PM
He did but I wouldn't be buying a 300gb HDD without knowing it was gonna work in advance. Of course, he may not get a straight answer from Shaw.

cavu
2006-05-20, 03:25 PM
I suppose it's not surprising that a 160GB works since, technically, that is a model that exists and the Firmware would support it...but adding a 300GB one, not so sure????I agree. We'll see. I'll be picking up the 300GB Seagate disk (from the same model series) and try it.

If it doesn't work in the Moto, no big deal. I'll just throw the 300GB into the HTPC I'm slowly building.