: Popularizing OTA DTV In Canada
2006-12-29, 10:52 PM
For those that have not seen OTA in real life, the BestBuy store in Surrey has a fairly large antenna on their roof and wired to the store. I was in the store today and found it was plugged into a 60" HP HDTV. It's able to pull in CBCHD, CTVHD and some analog. If you have been curious about OTA in the Lower Mainland, go check it out before making a purchase, it will cost you nothing.
I hope 2007 brings better reception to all, but especially us in the Lower Mainland cuz we sure would enjoy it :)
2006-12-30, 02:58 PM
Future Shop on Scott Road in Surrey also has a roof-mounted antenna but I'm not sure whether they've been using it.
2006-12-30, 03:48 PM
If you don't live in Toronto, Montreal, or Windsor(Detroit) OTA HD is a waste of time.
getting an attena and tuner is not worth it too receive CBC HD free (Ottawa).
I wish the CRTC would do away with all OTA signals. Its an expense for the broadcaster and its an outdated technology. If we did away with all of it, they could launch new HD channels quicker in all markets.
And the concept that you still need cable or satellite to receive Discovery HD, or TSN HD.
The signal is disturbed from weather, and its super, super low quality, you get twice the PQ with satelitte.
2006-12-30, 04:03 PM
Apparently you haven't read any of the OTA Forum threads before you posted your opinion in here.
You do not have to live in any of the major population centres to receive free OTA HD signals, although it is usually an advantage.
OTA Digital is a superior technology to analogue OTA in every way, plus the fact that OTA Digital and HD signals are of higher quality especially in comparison to satellite. EVU and other satellite providers usually have to compress their signals, whereas OTA HD provides a clear and uncompressed and superiour picture in every way.
Satellite signals are just as susceptible to inclement weather as OTA.
Some people would rather not have to pay a cable or satellite company a monthly fee to watch a boatload of channels they will never watch especially when the majority of their viewing is network and local broadcasts.
Before you criticize, please take the time to inform yourself of the facts regarding OTA and OTA technology.
There is, in fact, and entire Knowledge Base and FAQ in these forums.
Regarding your last comment, I think you will be more than a little embarassed if you read the link I just posted above.
2006-12-30, 11:06 PM
Westmanguy anytime someone comes over and sees our picture quality they are stunned,we only have OTA.Our reception is 100% reliable with 11 HD channel ,networks for free.Without OTA your carrier fees would go up because the free networks would and our asking for money from your cable/sat provider.How about that TV at the cottage or bedroom and the less fortunate.Globals projected cost for their OTA transmitter for Toronto is 250 000 while the cost for HD studio equipment is millions.
2006-12-31, 05:10 AM
It's about time BB and FS put up an antenna. I've been at stores asking department managers, and store managers to set up a DTV demo. Most of the time it drew interest but in the end they'd pass the buck to HQ. So I sent their mutual HQ letters to educate and convince the powers that be to give DTV some facetime in stores.
Next time I'm at my grandparents (in Surrey) I'll having to drop into BestBuy and thank the store manager for being a retail pioneer. Chances are their staff will at least know a thing or two about OTA if asked too!
2007-01-10, 03:48 PM
Although the article is refering to the US, it is still an interesting read:
CBS study: less than 30 percent aware of 2009 DTV deadline (http://broadcastengineering.com/RF/cbs-dtv-deadline-0108/)
If these numbers are true for the US, no wonder DTV is an even bigger mystery in Canada where less people use or rely on OTA, and the CRTC currently is allowing the market to drive the digital transition. The US numbers might suggest a much bigger marketing campaign is required down south.
edit: direct link to CBS report page http://www.cbscorporation.com/news/prdetails.php?id=1443
2007-01-11, 11:12 AM
I think 30% is real good. I doubt 30% use OTA.
And still 2 years + 5 weeks away!
When was the last time you planned a TV purchase more than 2 years in advance?
2007-01-11, 01:23 PM
I doubt 30% use OTA.
I am not so sure about that. I was recently in MD (just outside Washington, DC) and was amazed at how many buildings had antennas on the roof. I would say that about 75% of the houses and maybe 20% of the small businesses had antennas. With all the stations available out of Baltimore, Washington, Salisbury, and Annapolis they have lots to choose from though there is lots of duplication.
2007-01-11, 02:27 PM
Hi roger1818/Tom.F.1 ,
There are lots of antenna's still up but not being utilized in Canada, so I could guess that it is similar in the US. some people won't go to the hassle of pulling it down. Luckily for some, with the emergence of digital OTA in Canada, their old antennas are getting new life. There was at least one DHC'er that I recall tried hooking up to an older antenna.
Trying real hard to stay on topic here,.... of the 30% who are aware in the US what proportion of those actually use OTA? And coincidently, what is the proportion of the 10 to 15% of Canadians that rely exclusively on OTA are aware of DTV??
At least they have a plan in the US. We'll see what the CRTC says about all this mess in Canada hopefully sooner than later.
And you're right, most people don't put such amount of planning into buying a TV, though they probably should in some cases ;)
2007-01-11, 03:01 PM
"There was at least one DHC'er that I recall tried hooking up to an older antenna."
I'd like to be an OTA evangelist here...
I actually tried OTA without an antenna. just the cable with the other end
outside my window, and the reception was crisp.
2007-01-11, 08:51 PM
Didn't I read somewhere that US satellite providers charge extra for local's and thats why most people still use OTA for their locals?
Not sure about that though just something that stayed in my addled brain:p
2007-02-01, 04:42 PM
Hi. I've written a short article about my experiences with digital TV in the GTA. I'm looking for feedback/suggestions/corrections.
2007-02-01, 04:50 PM
Hello and WELCOME to the DHC Forums.
I moved your post to the appropriate OTA sub-forum.
Having read the article now it is quite excellent and informative. Of course, a lot of the same information can be found in our Digital Home FAQs and in the OTA Knowledge Base and FAQ. But more articles like this will hopefully spread the word about OTA and the greatness of it all. :)
2007-02-01, 05:40 PM
It's really great to be getting the word out there that Digital TV is here and is free. Why is it that the Toronto TV stations never seems to want to advertise the fact that they are available OTA? I've never once heard any of them say during a station break "This is CFTO channel 9 Digital 40" like they do in the US.
I'm also amazed your landlord let you mount that antenna on the side of the building... he seems like a cool guy. Maybe he'll let you up on the roof? If so I would get up there and install a Channel Master CM 4228 with rotor!
The best way to do this is to use a wooden skid... you know the things forklifts pickup. Take the wooden skid up on the roof... place some concrete blocks on it and there you go a very sturdy platform to now mount a tripod too without any damage to the roof.
2007-02-02, 01:11 PM
groundstate, will you be putting in a link to this Forum? Everything your readers need to know about OTA in Toronto is here. :)
2007-02-02, 01:29 PM
HDTV101: Maybe the local networks don't want to piss off Bell/Rogers? Yes, my landlord is cool. Originally I asked him if I could mount the antenna onto the chimeny. He said fine, but it's about 35 feet up, and I don't have a ladder that long. The wooden skid idea is cool. I have a variation I used to mount a satellite dish on a tin shed. That article coming soon. ;-)
stampeder: Will add a link for sure. Thanks.
2007-02-02, 01:51 PM
Great article!! Just a few points I might make:
If you want to see digital broadcasts on an old analog TV set, you can buy a digital receiver. You'll see the images, and they will be pretty clear, but not nearly as good as a true digital set would show. this may be nit-picking but, some older DTVs do not have digital inputs or an ATSC tuner, so I would fear that some of your readers might think they have an analogue set. This is not technically correct. If the STB is connected via component cables (analogue) to a DTV, the resulting picture quality (PQ) is nearly identical, and indistinguishable to the human eye. Please this for more info:
http://www.digitalhome.ca/forum/showthread.php?t=17873, specifically #2. They do not have to have a DVI/HDMI/Firewire connection for outstanding PQ. More important would be the native resolution of the DTV (many plasma/LCD have a native resloution of 768p, not 1080i/720p which are the ATSC standards) vs. the incoming signal from the STB, and whether the set has been calibrated.
OMNI 1, OMNI 2 These two stations were testing their digital transmitters in the fall, but are currently only broadcasting analogue @ channels 47 & 69. Again, I wouldn't want your readers thinking that they are currently on the air.
Thank you for helping to promote OTA digital television, and please post here whenever you can!!
2007-02-02, 03:17 PM
99gecko: Thanks. Fixed the info on OMNI and NTSC. I think you misread my comment about STB's though. I wrote that a digital receiver on an analogue set wouldn't look as good as a true digital set alone.
2007-02-02, 03:28 PM
I agree that it is a very good article. Since you are looking for feedback here are a few things I noticed:
At 17.4kW CTV is not the strongest station in Toronto. CBLT (CBC) is the strongest at 38 kW. It is also on a lower channel, which also makes it travel further.
You might want to mention that although the Silver Sensor was originally made by Zenith, there are copies available that should work just as well.
The Silver Sensor is a good indoor antenna, but you might also want to try a 2 or 4 bay antenna. They won't give you the same gain as a 8 bay antenna, but it should be better than the SS (see Comparing some commercially available antennas (http://www.hdtvprimer.com/ANTENNAS/comparing.html)).
It is true that currently digital TV "is usually broadcast over UHF frequencies," but after the analog shutdown (2009 in the US) many stations will move their digital broadcast to their VHF channel (there is talk that VHF-LO (2-6) will not be used along with some of the upper UHF channels (52 and above)).