Good lord I hope not.

But with the added size of HD... could see both version on a single Disc with no problem.

But.... HD Full Frame?

Only if the original movie was 4x3 (i.e Classic Hollywood movies).

Can't imagine a pan and scan version for folks who have a 4x3 HD tv.

i hope the industry just suggests you use your "zoom" feature

OAR or I will not be buying them. I want to see the whole movie not 80% of it.

Don't you have it when you rent a movie on DVD and you don't notice its the "full screen" version? Happend to me recently... I almost didn't watch the movie.

You will not see a 4X3 version of a widescreen movie on HD DVD. To play an HD movie you need a HDTV and all HDTVs are 16X9. They might convert 2.35 movies to fit a 16X9 screen but all the pre-view specs I have seen for Warners HD DVD releases have been OAR so far. Hopefully this is true for all studios releasing movies on HD DVD.

To play an HD movie you need a HDTV and all HDTVs are 16X9..


not so fast - there were quite a few 4x 3 HDTVs sold in the beginning

That might be true but its such a small portion of the market that it wouldn't make sense for a studio to make a 4X3 version of a widescreen HD movie.

do any 4x3 support hdmi?

do any 4x3 support hdmi?

none that i know of.

4x3 HDTVs are already becoming an orphaned format. I don't think anybody makes them any more. Whatever is still out there is old stock. As for full screen HD DVDs I hope that never happens. Full frame is another matter at least it's OAR.

[i][b]Originally posted by TheTinRam
Don't you have it when you rent a movie on DVD and you don't notice its the "full screen" version? Happend to me recently... I almost didn't watch the movie.I did that a few weeks ago - I had to drive back to the store it bugged me so much :D

I would bet a whole pile of money that there will not be 4x3 HD DVDs, other than movies that have that OAR.

There were a LOT of 4:3 HDTVs sold early on. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if most of them were 4:3 in the first couple of years. Furthermore, Blu-ray will NOT be downsampling HD movies for analogue outputs. This means that component feeds are still going to look excellent on these TVs.

Even disregarding this, I would not at all be surprised to see 4:3 hacks of widescreen movies on Blu-ray/HD-DVD, just because a lot of Blu-ray/HD-DVD customers won't actually have 16:9 TVs (eg. PS3 buyers, laptop owners, etc. who don't necessarily have HDTVs at all).

I think it would be most likely to happen (if it happens at all) on kids' movies and family movies and the like for example.

I hope it doesn't though.

I have always been a huge fan of OAR. But I can see Full screen 16:9 movies being offered for sale. At 16:9 the croping is less exensive and might have a bigger following than 4:3 full screen. If people want it why not offer it as well? I would only help the format along.

BTW- I have resently seen some 16:9 open matte full screen in hd and I did not hate it. In this format you get all the picture of the OAR plus extra where the letterbox would be. On close ups you in OAR you often get the top of peoples heads cut off so the directors can show the peoples facial expepressions in the in the OAR. In open matte they go back to original film (which contain more info that the director then frames to OAR) set the width at OAR and add back in the extra info to fill in the "letter box". If this was done for 16:9 full scree I might be interested in buying some for dramatic movies.

BTW- To original poster, I doubt there will room on HD disks for both a OAR and Full screen HD version on one disk. I assumed by full screen hd we were talking about 16:9.

Uh, you won't see 4x3 versions of widescreen movies on these new formats. It's impossible because the hd res is 1920x1080 which is 16x9. Anyone who has used a 4x3 HD-ready set knows hd is shown in 16x9 "squeeze" mode. If they made hd movies pan & scan then these 4x3 tv owners would have a windowboxed image.

You CAN get 4x3 material in HD but the signal is sent in a 16x9 format with aspect ratio bars at the side.

Anyway, not to worry about seeing widescreen movies in 1.33:1 ratios on these new formats. However, you may see 4x3 stuff stretched to 16x9 or 2.35:1 presented in 16x9 (1.78:1) to "fill the screen." which I do not want that either and think is bad.

Anyone who bishes about 2.35:1 movies on their HD set has issues.

Sorry, when discussing Full screen in HD DVD or BD aren't we refering to 16:9 regardless of OAR?

I believe the OP probably meant 4:3, which I doubt will happen on HD-DVD, unless the OAR is 4:3.

If people want it why not offer it as well?

Because the filmmakers have more time, money, and effort invested in the film than any consumer. Therefore the filmmakers have the right to have their work presnted in it's intended aspect ratio. This has been the bulk of the argument from the widescreen camp. As a consumer--merely watching the film--the choice of what aspect ratio you see it in should not be in your hands any more than any other artistic decision on the part of the filmmakers.

For further reading see www.widescreen.org.

I think filmakers have the right to present a film how they want, but once it hit's a home theater, I don't believe it is being presented in the same way as a theater.

Once at home I can FF, Rewind, skip a "boring/scary/exciting" part, etc, zoom the picture etc. I think a big part of the appeal for the mass consumer is that they get to watch movies their way at home, in some cases that means full screen.

I believe the OP probably meant 4:3, which I doubt will happen on HD-DVD, unless the OAR is 4:3.
The term "full screen" is mis-leading as we make the move to Widescreen 16:9 TVs.

The movie "Casablanca" on HD DVD is in its OAR of 4:3 and it is a very good transfer.

OAR or bust.