On another note if you do some research you will find that Native HD on HDnet makes up less than half of their current programing. The rest is upconverted.

Thx SB

Sorry I meant Discovery HD when refering to native HD content.

Back to The Score we are close to an agreement with Cogeco. I will update when it's done, BEV is also still not done

SB

Update from the source.........................

I can give an off the record update to this private venu.

We will not be up next week with our full HD offering there have been technical issiue's outside of our control that we are working on. We had planed to do the NCAA games this weekend in Native HD but for reason beyond my control I was unable to fufill that obligation. Our web site had the wrong info which we brought down yesterday. Also as we go forward dealing with HD rights is a whole new ball game but we feel confident that we will bring an offering that will be acceptable in our year 1 HD transition. All Score produced Live Event will be Native 720p HD other than force majour.

Look for us to appear on new platforms next week

Thx SB

Will there be a redesign of the ticker to make it more HD friendly?
Or perhaps a single line ticker, along the lines of ESPN2's permanent ticker?

Will there be a redesign of the ticker to make it more HD friendly?
Or perhaps a single line ticker, along the lines of ESPN2's permanent ticker?

Lets just say we will roll out technology that will be the first of it's kind in the world:o

SB

Please make the ticker as transparent as possible. Or at least at a level that will not burn into the screen.

Please make the ticker as transparent as possible. Or at least at a level that will not burn into the screen.

Your concerns have been addressed but Burn in is more fiction than fact and I will be giving a detailed brief on this whcih will be posted on our website under FAQ for example there are only 3 companies that actualy make the plate for all plasma's, 95% of the features are in the electronics front end thus different specs. I can take two identical plates and have a 100% diference to half life what do you think is the major cause for this and also how will this effect Burn in and it has nothing to do with the source?

I will answer tomorrow in a short bullet.

When I put my HD vison together for The Score I approached it opposite than other broadcasters. I started from the consumer to the source not like others from the broadcaster to the consumer. The real world consumer is what drove my plans. Who cares how much spacial resolution you have at the source if the distrobution platform is going to negate the benifits. I looked at this as well as other real world facts like what displays technologies currently make up the 16x9 Demo and where will we be in 5 years. I will detail this in the HD FAQ on our website soon.

Another thought when we speak of resolution in HD we are speaking of a static frame like a photograph, yes it's true that 1080i has more spatial resolution than 720p but that is not real world. 1080i and 720p are like apples and oranges whatching HD like any visual motion media is not based on one static image it is based on a images over time. The brain process this as information, this being said what has more information based on time will use 1 sec as an example, 1080i or 720p? You can see that not all is what it seems. Did you know that interlace format was used because the guns in the original CRT's could not trace the scan lines fast enough and the only way to deal with this problem was to create 2 fields to form an image that could fit into the half harmonic of 60hz thus the 30 fps NTSC 525 line standard. So we are using a technology that is 70 years old. Do you think there might be a more advanced technology with overall better results, imagine other industries following this same scenario, you wouldn't be surfing the net today.

SB

A lot complain about the channel logos being to larger in the top right or lower right, wow now we have a ticker. This Channel not gonna stay on my tv long unless I zoom it. ;)


During Games..they need to get rid of the full bar ticker...:o .maybe they could keep the box scores in the right hand low corner

Great idea for the question board...it appears that SCORE is the first Canadian Network to actually go full bore into HD...and take it seriously...love to hear this.


I ditto that.....I like that everything is WS...my girlfriend still struggles with the "stretching"......


THANKS SCOREBOARD for the info

I ditto that.....I like that everything is WS...my girlfriend still struggles with the "stretching"......


THANKS SCOREBOARD for the info


We can't get rid of the Ticker CRTC rules as far as stretching goes you won't be seeing that in our final offer coming soon will be active Pan and Scan technology form the 70mm film world there will be no noticable morphing when compared to our SD channel watch for other cool stuff when we roll out whcih will be soon we are still dealing with technology that will make its debut on The Score, if you can't be big you gotta be better:cool:

SB

I noticed your ticker "fades" slightly just as it goes to commerical.. is this to satisfy the "burn-in" factor...

It will be good once your are fully HD -- unfortunatly it sounds like you may not have very much content by the time that happens (iow, basketball season is almost over).. but it's better than nothing.

I was happy to see Rogers add the ESPN HD feed for the ACC finals, since the Score HD feed is close to unwatchable...

I noticed your ticker "fades" slightly just as it goes to commerical.. is this to satisfy the "burn-in" factor...

It will be good once your are fully HD -- unfortunatly it sounds like you may not have very much content by the time that happens (iow, basketball season is almost over).. but it's better than nothing.

I was happy to see Rogers add the ESPN HD feed for the ACC finals, since the Score HD feed is close to unwatchable...

Once again we have addressed this issiue and it will be apparent at the completion of our phase 1 offering and I'm confident it will meet your expectations:)

We are also making efforts to increase the bandwidth on SD signals and are curently uping the SD delivery platforms to The Score by 300% which you will notice as we move forward.

Take care and keep the input comin it's all of you the make The Score

Good work SB. I'm very happy to see The Score is putting viewers first.

It's probably way too early to tell but is there any news on HD EPL soccer becoming available? Your Sunday games have been a great addition. I know that Sky in the UK is broadcasting (or maybe still testing) HD soccer.

Thanks.

Your concerns have been addressed but Burn in is more fiction than fact and I will be giving a detailed brief on this whcih will be posted on our website under FAQ for example there are only 3 companies that actualy make the plate for all plasma's, 95% of the features are in the electronics front end thus different specs. .

SB
I beg to differ. My parents have been watching news on their big screen RPTV and right now, we can see where the time, weather info, and channel logo is clearly visible on a white background. Burn ins do exist!!!

I beg to differ. My parents have been watching news on their big screen RPTV and right now, we can see where the time, weather info, and channel logo is clearly visible on a white background. Burn ins do exist!!!

It's not so much that it doesn't exist .. but it's more it's not that wide-spread of a problem. If you watch 1 channel all day every day, then sure something can happen, and it really depends on a per-TV basis.

See the Digital Home FAQ on "burn in". It sure does exist, however, it depends on the type of TV AND the viewing habits.

I have a RPTV screen and I just simply don't want to risk it. I will watch a channel with a bright logo at the very minimum time just in case. Over zealous? Maybe but at the price TV's are, I don't want to buy one every few months.

I have a RPTV screen and I just simply don't want to risk it. I will watch a channel with a bright logo at the very minimum time just in case. Over zealous? Maybe but at the price TV's are, I don't want to buy one every few months.

As 57 has stated Burn in can happen and it affects all platforms less DLP, which can suffer from other issues from static images. What I was referring to is the hype that surrounds burn in on Plasma. The first plasmas were prone to burn in more readily than a CRT, This was due to manufacturers race to grab market share. Some say that this was not known and others say it was but it doesn’t matter theres no fixin Plasma burn. Current technology going into the Plasma's front end has various means of dealing with burn from pixel shift to screen savers.

All CRT's and LCD's will burn in..... Unlike Plasmas anti burn technology is not incorporated into most of these platforms other than screen savers. The biggest factor with Plasma burn in is not a static image it is the voltage being applied to the plate. This also effects time to half-life. When purchasing a Plasma don’t be fooled buy displays having one Plasma manufacture look so much better in a side by side. Have a look at the specs to see what’s going on. I have seen the no name Plasmas look amazing only to find it was an ED set with a contrast of 10,000 to 1 with no anti burn technology, here you have the perfect candidate for burn and short half life which will continue to feed the urban myth. If you see vast differences in a side by side where the specs are close go look some where else to see if the results are the same, you may be surprised. Plasmas operate fine at contrast ratios between 3000-4000 giving far superior performance to other Progressive Scan Platforms. While Black levels have been voodoo and I always find it interesting that in most cases there is no reference platform to compare. With out exception as of today direct view Interlace CRT's have the best black level but have obvious limitations for HD. Plasma with it's cross the board encapsulated technology now have black levels that are very close to CRT and contrast, brightness and off axis viewing that no other display can meet or exceed for price point. Plasmas also have far better response time than other technologies and in most cases there is no reason to even document this in specs. Even at half-life todays HD Plasma will have a better all over performance in a normal viewing enviorment than a new LCD viewed in a darkened room. Remember that LCD's use lamps and Plasmas use electricity to excite gas.

While burn in is real, common sence applied a reputable HD Plasma is today’s best viewing platform. I won't get into the fixed pixel count and scaling , another urban myth when looked at more closely. SMPTE states that HD Displays must have a minimum 720x1280 if not you got ED TV, which still looks good at the end of cable STB.

If you are planning on having static images on the raster for extended periods of time then you don't need HD Plasma you need a CRT.;)

SB

Good work SB. I'm very happy to see The Score is putting viewers first.

It's probably way too early to tell but is there any news on HD EPL soccer becoming available? Your Sunday games have been a great addition. I know that Sky in the UK is broadcasting (or maybe still testing) HD soccer.

Thanks.

Not as yet bandwidth costs to bring in HD from acroos the Pond are still an issiue but the costs are dropping. Also HD productions are being done over there but have not taken hold as strong as it has here. Thats understandable looking at the difference between PAL and NTSC to bad we wern't 220v @ 50hz we probably wouldn't even be talking HD:eek:

I know it dosn't look the best on our HD platform thats due to;

PAL transmison from source to uplink as PAL 40mbs 4:2:0 (PAL has more native bandwith than NTSC) dual sat hop at high compresion 4:0:0 downlink at Water Front uncompress to BB PAL then the PAL to NTSC Analog format conversion then up on Galaxy @ 4:0:0 4mbs or Fiber hop from Water Front Analog to Digital conv 8mbs @ 4:2:1 If this dosn't make any sence what it means is massive compress Decompress hits format conversion and very little core video information when it arrives at your home.. We are working with ASI and differnt standard conversion technology with B SKY B and other platforms and hope to have a solution to these issiues within the next year then move to HD once this is in place but we can't do it alone and need buy in.

SB

Not as yet bandwidth costs to bring in HD from acroos the Pond are still an issiue but the costs are dropping. Also HD productions are being done over there but have not taken hold as strong as it has here. Thats understandable looking at the difference between PAL and NTSC to bad we wern't 220v @ 50hz we probably wouldn't even be talking HD:eek: What about SD widescreen for EPL? Isn't much (all?) of their programming in the UK in widescreen even if it isn't true HD? I know it would require additional bandwidth which may be an issue.

What about SD widescreen for EPL? Isn't much (all?) of their programming in the UK in widescreen even if it isn't true HD? I know it would require additional bandwidth which may be an issue.

PAL has more active lines 625 than NTSC and runs at higher base band at 6.5 MHZ and PAL-E is beter than NTSC for Wide Screen.Toss it to the crapper it's the conversion to NTSC (Never The Same Color) that destroys the quality. HD was supposed to set world stanadrad but a lot of Euros don't like being bushed around and it is not soaring with the eagle like we all are here.:rolleyes:

SB