Quote by JamesK: "I bet there's a minus sign ahead of those numbers. The "-" indicates a loss or decrease in signal strengh."

Yeah, you would think so but sadly, NO - there isn't a negative "-" sign in front of the 4dB and 8dB markings and niether is there a positive "+" sign in front. That would have made it self explanatory and I therefore wouldn't have had to post this question.

One last question about this splitter (well, splitters in general) how important is it to use 'terminators' to cap unused ports? Does it make THAT MUCH difference to the signal loss at the used ports?

Thanks.

EDIT: Please ignore the last question about terminators. '57' gave an excellent link to a good read about cables, splitters, and all things related. I found the answer there - thank you '57'...

Hey guys!

I have the same similar issue as the others on here. I rent a room on the Top Floor from an older couple and just got cable internet. When the Rogers guy came he was in a fowl mood and was yanking around cables. "Mutter mutter your signal isn't strong enough... mutter mutter"

I then seen him yaking stuff and cutting stuff on the gray box outside. When all was said and done, the cable line that was hooked up to my TV no longer had access to any channels ONLY internet. As well as he disconnected the old couple on the main floor. A tech came out the next day and hooked them back up and said he corrected my new NET line too, but ALAS I still cannot watch TV on this data line.

Suggestions?

If you're not paying for TV, then we have no suggestions other than to pay for the TV. The tech added a filter to your line to preclude watching TV since you're not paying for it. It's illegal to remove the filter.

We are paying for Cable! I assume you didn't read that in the post.

Who pays for the internet, you or the landlord?

An internet cable outlet should not be hooked up to a TV. Its an internet outlet for a reason, ie there is a specific signal coming out of the outlet that is required for your modem to operate as such, if you disrupt this signal by putting splitters, or using cable of poor grade, you will not only affect your internet quality, but you also have the potential of leaking unwanted signals back into your cable line which will affect the TV signal elsewhere or worst case, can affect other TV customers.

If you want to watch TV in the same room as your internet cable outlet, then the proper way would be to install a seperate Cable TV outlet.

Suggestions?

Call Rogers to let them know you're not receiving the services you're paying for and let them fix it. As for splitters, in my condo, my cable feed is spit where it enters my living room and then goes to my 2nd bedroom, where my computer & home phone are located. There, it's split again for Internet, phone and TV. All of this was set up by Rogers.

Your first post sounded like the older couple was paying for TV and that you rented from them and you were paying for internet, not TV. As a rental property you should each be paying for your own services (although that is not always enforced) If that is not the case, then as mentioned above, call Rogers to get the services you do pay for. Rogers will ensure that the proper cables are run and that the proper signals reach the proper devices. You should not need to purchase or install splitters or cable.

Hey guys!

I have the same similar issue as the others on here. I rent a room on the Top Floor from an older couple and just got cable internet. When the Rogers guy came he was in a fowl mood and was yanking around cables. "Mutter mutter your signal isn't strong enough... mutter mutter"

I then seen him yaking stuff and cutting stuff on the gray box outside

That would have probably been about about 0.5 seconds before I came up with a very colourful method of showing him the way off my property.

An internet cable outlet should not be hooked up to a TV. Its an internet outlet for a reason, ie there is a specific signal coming out of the outlet that is required for your modem to operate as such, if you disrupt this signal by putting splitters, or using cable of poor grade, you will not only affect your internet quality, but you also have the potential of leaking unwanted signals back into your cable line which will affect the TV signal elsewhere or worst case, can affect other TV customers.

But outside that big 750 cable hanging from the strand or buried in a Conduit, contains BOTH signals, so wouldn't all outlets in a house have BOTH too.?

That simple little RG6 that is attached to the side of your house certainly has BOTH signals....

But outside that big 750 cable hanging from the strand or buried in a Conduit, contains BOTH signals, so wouldn't all outlets in a house have BOTH too.?

That simple little RG6 that is attached to the side of your house certainly has BOTH signals....

I'm inclined to agree with that. The only reason that wouldn't he the case would be if they had two separate drops (not likely) or two separate inclines from the demarc (reasonably possible) one filtered and one not. There is no good reason for a filter if the customer pays for tv though.

It's simple. One line into the Rogers grey box outside. Then splitter and filter to remove the TV signal from the internet line. The other line could have a filter to remove unsubscribed channels. It all locked in the grey box outside the house to prevent access. The previous installer probably didn't install any filters.

Pizna: ok I'll give you one point for acknowledging that the coax cable carries Both internet and tv signals, but i will not give you any points for understanding how cable needs a certain way to be split and delivered. Its NOT feasable to send an internet signal to Every outlet in your house, when you can only have one modem per residence, notice how I said residence and not per house.

The modem needs certain signal level to work, which I alerady mentioned in a previous post, for this signal to be optimal, its usually the first -3.5 leg off the primary splitter. This is why if you connect a modem to a different outlet in your house you sometimes experience internet issues.

The cable boxes have more tolerance to lower signals so the next -3.5 leg can be split further and sent to the remaining tv's and it will still functin well.

The only good reason for the filter on the internet line that I can think of is to reduce the amount of people connecting it improperly. If somene connects the tv to the internet port and the internet modem to the regular CATV outlet, they will realize somethings wrong. they need to leave it alone, its hooked up like that for a reason

The only things that hold true for internet is that it likes (for lack of a better word) a certain range of dB and SNR. Also never ever put it downstream of an amp. I'm not saying first splitter and - 3.5 is wrong it is a good general recommendation but on the other hand I've had signal so strong you had to put a couple splitters out in front to keep the internet from having problems for a completely different reason. I've had taps spitting it out as hot as +16 or 17 and that's not good when you need to be under + 8. Also seen them as low as +7 and you're in a bind if it's not on the first split. TV is much more forgiving. If you have no filters on the line you are sending both types of signal by default. Question is whether it is in that acceptable range or not.

For the most part the only filters they use anymore are for people that have internet and/or phone but no TV. With DTAs and digital STBs all you'll get with a straight coax all you'll get is basic cable anyway.

Pizna: ok I'll give you one point for acknowledging that the coax cable carries Both internet and tv signals, but i will not give you any points for understanding how cable needs a certain way to be split and delivered. Its NOT feasable to send an internet signal to Every outlet in your house, when you can only have one modem per residence, notice how I said residence and not per house.


There is no such thing as an internet outlet. All outlets in the home can be used for internet if the signal is adequate, and in many cases it is. You also can have multiple modems in one residence if a customer requests multiple internet packages at one residence, therefore all outlets can be used for internet.

Also Rogers promotes self installation for internet whenever possible. "Whenever possible" simply means if the customer already has TV service. If a customer already has TV and wants to sign up for internet, the preferred option that reps are supposed to push is to send customers to a Rogers store to pick up a modem and have customers go home and plug it into any available outlet or split an existing one. Techs are only sent if the customer is not comfortable hooking up a modem or if the coax has been disconnected from the pedestal.

Also rogers only uses filters to prevent cable theft.

Actually there is such a thing as an internet outlet, please do not challenge me, that includes any remarks to this post from you disputing this fact. I know my stuff. you may have your sources, but I know for a fact what an internet outlet is compared to a standard cable tv outlet, the difference is how the cable signal is split. also an internet outlet does not count toward the catv outlet count. It is VERY possible an internet outlet can have no cable channels on it, I've seen it, It happened to ME.

If the op wants to watch Cable TV on an internet outlet I am simply stating the fact that he needs to have another outlet for his tv to plug into, because if he splits his internet outlet, he will degrade the signal strength, SNR, return path signal, etc. All your doing is making the op think more and more its ok to split an internet outlet when its not, we all know this, you even know this. so atleast understand that.

one more thing, its super easy to make an internet outlet into a regular catv outlet, simply go to the cable entry point in your house, look for the first splitter (mine is a 3 way splitter) with one leg -3.5 db reserved for internet, -7db for rogers home phone, and the remaining -7db leg will go into another tv splitter with as many ports as your cable tv subscription includes, simply remove the wire from the first -3.5 leg, and put it onto the 4 way splitter on the Catv side, then that becomes a tv outlet, then if you want to move the modem to another room, remove the wire from the tv splitter according to which cable run you will use, and connect the male end of it to the -3.5 leg off the main split. there, now that becomes an internet outlet, obviously you need to re-verify the signal strength of the outlet using the modem diagnostics or hardware if you own it. however providing all the runs are good grade RG6 cable tv and were installed properly, there would be no reason it would not work. as long as its not the cable tv wire you found in the back alley of a store, and you and your brother in law ran it in the house and used multiple splices and splitters behind the wall, everytrhing should be ok.

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The same cable carries TV, phone and Internet signals, unless filters are used to block services. In my condo, the cable comes into my living room. There's a 3 way splitter there, with the -3.5 dB port going to my 2nd bedroom, where my cable modem and phone terminal are located. The 2 -7dB ports are used for TV. In the 2nd bedroom, there's another 3 way splitter, feeding my cable modem (-7 dB), phone terminal (-3.5dB) and STB (-7 dB). This was set up by Rogers and all work well. The allowable range of signal strength is much greater than the difference in splitter outputs. Downstairs, in the utility room, there are a few splitters, providing feeds to the various units.

Yes we know this, we also know that in condos it also makes more sense to wire them up economically, which means if your first split must go to a tv equiptment , then yoru second split must go to your modem/telephony equiptment, then so be it. There is enough signal strength in the condos to allow this plus due to the difference in running wires, condos you can not always run cables where you want. No one who lives in a condo wants wires run all the way around their appartment into one room, then run all the way back into the next room, its more of an eyesoar. Anyway the ops question is not specific to condos but thanks for the information, its not relavant at this point to his situation though.

I have a pvr and my modem connected to the same outlet by a splitter. This was done by a technician and has worked perfectly for almost a decade and also works just fine with my WHPVR service. Although it is preferred to have the modem on its own outlet, it is not necessary and rogers does not restrict any outlets as internet only unless that is the only service you subscribe to.