: Formula 1 in HD?
2007-06-10, 01:50 PM
its just widescreen sd but still better than 4:3 sd...
btw, im watching on tsn hd on videotron and it seems like there are some dropouts? anyone notice this or is my pace box busted?
2007-06-10, 01:55 PM
I'm having a fair bit of picture breakup and some audio dropouts on it as well ... wonder if it's TSN's feed? There is some breakup on the Fox feed as well.
2007-06-10, 03:15 PM
FOX Seattle HD is 4:3. TSN HD is 16:9 SD with centre channel only audio.
2007-06-10, 03:21 PM
Yes my bad, it appears it is in widescreen but definitely not HD. I initiallly was watching it on my laptop via the Slingbox and when I saw it was in widescreen and saw "TSNHD" on the lower bottom of the screen I thought it was in HD.
The race was more like a demolition derby though... I am glad that nasty crash at around the beginning of the race only resulted in a broken leg. The hype about Hamilton seems to be well deserved...
2007-06-10, 04:13 PM
I too am very dissapointed there is still no ND feed for the Canadian GP today. I heard lots of rumours of FOX HD being shown today but alas, still just 4:3 SD.
And also, I had all kinds of audio dropouts and video dropouts all race long. Thought it was my box, but some of you are reporting the same problem so maybe it isn't. Congrats Lewis too!
2007-06-10, 05:52 PM
Can't complain. Atleast we didn't get suck with only fox's 4:3 SD coverage like the americans
2007-06-10, 07:33 PM
Atleast we didn't get suck with only fox's 4:3 SD coverage like the americans
They're used to it. We've been 'spoiled' with 16x9 all season.
Was a typical F1 race. Nothing spectacular on the racing end. Great crash though!!
2007-06-10, 08:10 PM
I really thought Kubica was a goner after seeing that crash... I guess the protective shell of the F1 cars nowadays are really stronger... compared to, say 10 years ago when Ayrton Senna was killed in a similar crash at San Marino...
Here is a a footage of the Kubica crash:
2007-06-10, 11:45 PM
I spoke to one of the cameraman today and he told me that they have 50%
of the equipment and HD maybe coming next year
What killed Senna 13 years ago was a piece of the suspension coming through his visor/hitting his head. The monocoque held up in his crash at Tamborello quite well, despite much less driver protection than they have today. The crash into the concrete wall at over 200 kph may have killed him anyway though due to the high G forces.
I looked for the typical stairstepping that I normally see on upconverted SD and it was much less evident than in previous races (on the main cameras). Although the image was not HD, the upconversion seems to be pretty well done. I was pleased to see the WS pictures for the race and that we got the better version than Fox.
2007-06-11, 01:26 PM
The audio dropouts and video breakup were so bad on TSN HD (Shaw) that I synced up my SD Tivo and my HD PVR and watched video from PVR and audio from Tivo (ok, I'm a geek). It's interesting that I was more willing to live with the video breakup than the audio dropouts. Actually, about halfway in I just went with the Tivo version.
Great win by Hamilton. Had to continually reassert his lead after having it taken away by the Safety Car 4 times. This is quite common in other forms of racing but not F1. Alonso was made to look like a putz.
ps regarding the blackout, they blacked out the qualifying on Speed (had to listen to Vic Router and Gerry Donaldson...yuk), but left it blacked out for about 3 - 4 hours afterwards. I had Tivo'd the 6 Hours at the Glen sportscar race and it was completely blacked out. Came back just in time for the winner interviews at the end.
faston, you may want to check your signal strength and S/N Ratio in the diagnostics. My signal on Rogers had no issues.
However, based on other posts from Shaw customers, it might have been a Shaw issue.
2007-06-11, 03:39 PM
I was at the GP yesterday and the camera had HDTV written on it. At least the three I looked at.
Interesting Buzzz. When I didn't notice the stairstepping, I was really wondering, however, I recorded the "good ol' boys" race afterwards, in case the F1 went long and you should have seen the difference in PQ on those images - really good.
Also, I always compare the 4:3 image that appears just before the race starts with the 16:9 image that follows, usually during the last few minutes of the pre-race show. The image gets wider, however, it doesn't get "better". I believe it happened yesterday when they were focused on one of the cars on the grid, so it's very easy to back up a few frames to compare.
Kubica walks out of hospital. Simply amazing.
Dr. Ronald Denis, the head of the trauma unit at Sacre-Coeur, said he was amazed that the young driver survived.
"I was at the (racetrack) tower and to be honest with you, when I saw the accident I thought we were going to arrive there and he would be dead," Denis said.
"But when we arrived there, he was talking to us, complaining of some pain in his right ankle. He was breathing, talking."
2007-06-11, 05:47 PM
When I saw that crash, the first thing I thought of was Greg Moore. He also had a side impact at full speed into a concrete wall on the infield. So for Kubica to escape serious injury is almost miraculous.
Kubica's accident was different from Moore's. Moore hit sideways and even with the car tilted so his head hit the wall first (since the car had been rolling - I still have the recording). The similarity was that both cars were on grass, which doesn't slow the car much and causes it to roll, or "fly". If that area had been paved, Kubica could have scrubbed off a lot of speed.
Kubica hit with the front of the car, probably about a 45 degree angle, or a little more. The picture in the Globe showed his feet barely inside the front of the monocoque.
All three accidents were very high impact though - Senna, Moore, Kubica. It'll be interesting to hear the G-force readings from the latest crash.
Part of surviving or not is just plain luck. I remember Jacques Villeneuve slicing through the car of one driver - I can't remember the name of the other driver, totally cutting the car in half, however, the driver walked away, while the "two Alex" crash, almost killed Zanardi.
Gerhard Berger's crash at Tamburello was very similar to Senna though, but he survived, even though the car was on fire for what seemed like way too long...
2007-06-11, 06:56 PM
There are so many differences between these accidents. Kubica never hit anything square against his speed that would cause an acceleration/deceleration type snapping of his head. That is what killed Moore, Krosnoff and Earnhardt.
In fact, I don't have tape of Moore's accident, but if I recall correctly the impact that killed him was with his rear wheels square against the infield concrete wall. That was at extremely high speed (over 220MPH) and had instant deceleration to zero because of the wall. It would have caused the kind of shear that instantly killed him (identical to the shear that killed Earnhardt).
Moore's accident happened at significantly higher speed than Kubica's, with engineering that is a decade older, and without the benefit of the head restraints that are now mandatory in all Champ Car, IRL, NASCAR, and F1 events. As 57 pointed out, Moore went a long distance on grass that may have actually accelerated his vehicle before the second impact (the one with the inner wall).
I actually wasn't surprised that Kubia survived. No instant deceleration, no head impact, and clearly a car breaking apart exactly how it was designed so that force was absorbed and deflected away from the monocoque.
I am surprised that his injuries weren't worse.
Moore went a long distance on grass that may have actually accelerated his vehicle... This will revise a lot of the laws of physics. Were the blades of grass all working in unison to push his car faster? ;)
2007-06-11, 07:28 PM
Hmmm ... not quite how I meant to say it.
The infield grass would have had very little friction and therefore would not have slowed his car down much, if at all. Considering that accident happened as he was accelerating out of a turn and the car flipped as it hit the access road causing it to fly upside down without much contact between the car and a friction surfave, I suspect he hit that wall at pretty much full racing speed ...certainly over the 200 MPH mark.