This may not be applicable but even thou RDS/TSN are related does not mean they can live in the same house even for a weekend. My friend told me that during 2001 World track and field games that CBC shared little resourses between the french and english networks. Which meant that there was almost double the equipment/manpower to do the broadcasts. It speaks of the culture differences. Dont percieve this comment as a slur, I celebrate the fact we have distinct cultures in Canada. I just wish Jacques (http://jv-world.com/) was winning more races.

Not truly HD. However the F1 races that TSN-HD shows upconverted are much nicer looking than the regular definition TSN channel. It could be my imagination, but I think the Europe races look particularly good. It may be that the european TV format converts more nicely.

Ah, that makes sense now. Through all this discussion of how F1 is not available in HD I recall seeing a 16:9 widescreen of the F1 broadcast on a display behind Vic on TSN as he made the introductions which I thought was in HD.

So are all the races shown in upconverted SD on TSN HD? If that's the case I will have to pay the extra $10 BEV charges for HD.

The upconverted SD coverage of the olympics on CBC was still much better than 4:3 SD so $10/month would be worth it.

So are all the races shown in upconverted SD on TSN HD? This is a very odd question. All HD channels either show true HD, or upconverted SD (vast majority is 4:3). On occasion, the upconverted SD may be widescreen. HD channels do not show SD.

This is a very odd question. All HD channels either show true HD, or upconverted SD (vast majority is 4:3). On occasion, the upconverted SD may be widescreen. HD channels do not show SD.

It was established in this thread that F1 is not available in HD yet and as Neild says "However the F1 races that TSN-HD shows upconverted are much nicer looking than the regular definition TSN channel." So granted it would make sense for it to be upconverted 4:3 but that doesn't reconcile the 16:9 format I saw on display behind Vic in the preshow. It didn't look stretched either.

Neild, can you clear this up for me? Thanks.

It looked stretched to me.

It looked stretched to me.
Ya the wife said the same thing.

Oh, well. I thought I saw extra information on either side as the cars were making they way to the starting grid but I guess the car was too small to tell. I hope FOM starts HD sooner than later. I'll call BEV anyway to see if they will give me a free month of preview.

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Sorry I didn't notice the backdrop. All the F1 races I've seen on TSN-HD have been 4:3

...The upconverted SD coverage of the olympics on CBC was still much better than 4:3 SD so $10/month would be worth it.Why do you think CBC hidef coverage of the Olympics was upconverted SD?

Diogen.

Why do you think CBC hidef coverage of the Olympics was upconverted SD?
Venues that were not HD were shot in 16x9/WS SD. CBC showed a few events in 16x9, most in 4x3, and the rest that were HD in HD (when they remembered to do so).

Opening and closing ceremony was as good as the best DiscoveryHD and hidef TS I've seen, even on my lowly X1.
You can't easily make up 17+Mbps by upconverting SD, even WS.

Are you guys sure you can spot an upconverted image from HD?
I'm not claiming otherwise, but I don't think the argument "it's 4:3" is good enough.

Diogen.

Are you guys sure you can spot an upconverted image from HD?If you're asking if it's possible to spot an upconverted WS programme when compared to an HD programme, the answer is mostly yes/sometimes no. Let me explain.

On an upconverted programme there are certain artifacts that usually "give away" the fact that it's not HD - like mosquito noise around lettering, like stairstepping on slanted lines, like Moiré effects from close parallel lines, like huge macroblocking on nature scenes containing water, fire, flocks of birds.

If there are no slanted lines, if no-one is wearing a striped shirt and there are no buildings with lots of lines to create Moiré, if there are no nature scenes and if there's little lettering, then an upconverted programme can look pretty good. For example, the "talking head" type programmes on PBS can look excellent.

Also, if the production values that went into the HD programme were lousy, then the HD programme won't look that great. I'm sure you've noticed differences in the quality of HD programmes as you've mentioned.

It may also depend somewhat on your service provider as some compress, while others do not.

Hope that clears it up a bit.

It may also depend somewhat on your service provider as some compress, while others do not.The way I understand it, there are three ways to screw up the picture: at the source (high compression HD, upconverted SD), during transmission (bad weather for satellite), at the receiving end (STB/PC, crapy codecs, etc.).
My question was more about: Do you guys know what kind of imperfection each of those three steps can add? Are they different? Is there something that can be attributed only to one of the three steps?

I'm not asking to be a PITA, but because I've seen what bad codecs/renderers can do: almost everything you described.

Diogen.

Wondering what F1 would be like in HD ? Then try that.

SuperSpeedway 720 (http://download.microsoft.com/download/2/0/9/20907788-993F-4EF6-8D75-F0DD93207FB8/SuperSpeedway_720.exe)

It's a 2 minutes 1280x720p clip of Michael and Mario Andretti doing laps......stunning !!!!!!!!!!!

PS: The file is 134 Megs, it's a self extracting zip containing a wmv file.

Edit: If you pay attention to the steering at about 1:30min you can even read the speed on the dash board display.

Will F1 ever be in HD soon?
You'd think with F1 being the pinnacle of technology it would be broadcasted in HD as soon as possible. If NASCAR can be done in HD so can F1.

Comes up every year: Here are the previous threads:

http://www.digitalhome.ca/forum/showthread.php?t=37651

http://www.digitalhome.ca/forum/showthread.php?t=25803

Perhaps this year will be different, but I doubt it, due to the many reasons discussed previously.

My bad. Lock the thread if you want.

TF1 in France will broadcast all grand prix in 16:9 according to f1-live.com. The world feed should be in 16:9. No word from TSN.

I hope it's not just 16:9 in SD. SD 16:9 is the worst of all possible worlds. Black bars around all 4 sides if you are watching on an HD monitor. I suppose they would probably zoom it up to fill the screen, but that looks pretty cruddy. Anyway, it is moderately encouraging news. I'm no NASCAR fan, but I do tune in now and then to see what it looks like in HD and it is spectacular.

I agree that Nascar looks very good and like you I'm not really a Nascar fan. It would be nice some year to see F1 in HD. It appears that HD adoption in Europe is increasing and I suppose that's what will determine that speed at which it comes to TSN etc. I would think that TSN would pick up the HD feed if it was available.

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