The way to receive them consistently would be to move closer :)
bybye,

Here's my tvfool report:

http://www.tvfool.com/?option=com_wrapper&Itemid=29&q=id%3d2193c05e53f889

I'll aim my current antennas towards Rochester and let you know

The stations (CBS, ABC, PBS, Fox) from Rochester are repeats from Buffalo where they comes in during tropo days. I think you should focus on getting the WNED (PBS) from Buffalo where we can receive it as regular channel all year round.

ION is almost a regular channel depending on your location but do need a dedicated antenna.

kooguy,

I've aimed directly at WNED but it does not come in reliably. There's a building in that general direction and I've pointed around the building too but it still isn't reliable. I get Ion reliably without pointing at Batavia.

The UHF Rochester stations don't even appear in your TVFool, hard to conceive you'd ever be able to receive them consistently. Fun to try though. :cool:

I've not heard you say you have a pre-amp - I would buy one of those first. Then, if you're still not satisfied & into this as a hobby/fun thing & don't mind blowing the hundred odd dollars for the XG91, go for it. The 91XG is quite a bit more directional then stacked 4221's, so it would be a good candidate, probably the best off-the-shelf choice.

It's *not* easy to combine with your stacked 4221's though, in fact in my view you'd want a separate cable & tuner. Even if you were able to combine (doubtful) the combining itself causes signal loss, something you'd not like to give up.

I pointed my hacked and stacked CM4221HD towards Rochester and don't get any of their stations. Should I consider a preamp for my current setup, although I don't split my signal to any other devices and I may get overload from the signals off the CN tower? I don't get WNED or WNLO with my current setup.

captain cook,

WNED and WNLO are on the same broadcast tower. They are easy to receive due to their high power ouput, and close proximity to our area.

Building blocking issue: Any chance of increase antenna height to have better LOS for WNED and WNLO? How about relocate the antenna to a different location?

Is WNED and WNLO reception at borderline on your TV? If it is then just get distribution amp (CM 3410) which will provide 15dB gain, very useful for channels on borderline.

kooguy,

I'm using a 1-1/4", 10 ft EMT, wall mounted. Relocation of the mast isn't possible. Is a 1-1/4", 20 ft EMT stable with a CM9034 wall mount?

WNED and WNLO are at 50-55% when I can get it. This week I don't get them at all when rescanning. But I am getting WUTV at around 55%. I am also getting WNYB this week at 56%, usually I don't get this one at all.
I'll try the CM3410, unless you think something else may work.

captain:

No, unless you run it extra long, with one end stuck in the dirt and then the 9034's holding it vertical.

I had a similar setup, the thing just flexed all over the place with 15' from the top mount. As an FYI, you're supposed to have something like 1/3 of the entire pipe between the two mounts. The longer the pipe, the more space gets wasted by the mounts. But you can stick one end in the ground and that will make is much more solid.

FYI: I ended up moving to a traditional antenna mast, supported under the eaves. I needed the distance. Looks pretty good too.

I am Between Kingston Rd and Eglinton off McCowan and I am picking up WNED and WNLO always very strong, I am using a DB8 25 to 30' feet up and a CM7777, I am pointed approx 175 to 180 degrees.

prose,

The gain on a CM7777 is 26 dB and it'll probable cause overload on the Canadian signals off the CN Tower, since I don't split my coax. I'm assuming you have more than one tv or device connected. I'll try the CM3410 or some variable gain distribution amp. Does anyone have any suggestions on a make or model of variable one?

I have one TV, I also am in a low area in a bit of a gully and i have to go through alot of trees all around. I pick up Toronto fine with no overload.
It works for me.

Captain cook,

20' EMT with wall mount is not stable as some members already mentioned. Will antenna tower give you the clearance needed for LOS of buffalo stations?

Given current warm weather conditions, just about all US channels coming in strong. If your reception for US stations are at 50-55%, then a CM3410 dist amp will provide you a stable signal reception.

Is it possible for you to post a picture of your current setup like how the building is blocking your LOS to US?

Does anyone have any suggestions on a make or model of variable one?

Google Kitztech, their's have a small plastic screw to vary the amplification. I've got an older version, no complaints.

http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/8891/backyardview.jpg

This is the view outside my second floor window. The building is about 250 ft away and the height of the roofline is about 60 ft. The red arrow points to the location of the Grand Island transmitter. The top of my mast is about 35 ft from ground level.

I pointed my hacked and stacked CM4221HD towards Rochester and don't get any of their stations. Should I consider a preamp for my current setup, although I don't split my signal to any other devices and I may get overload from the signals off the CN tower? I don't get WNED or WNLO with my current setup.
Captain; U will need a preamp, large directional antennas. U will have overload/co channel issues with local channels.
You will need highest gain VHF and UHF antennas with side signal rejection qualities.
You will need to be very fussy about cables and hookup.
It may not be worthy of the effort. Buffalo offers more with less effort.

I should clarify - when I say try the pre-amp first, I mean on the Buffalo channels. I too suspect those are your best bet, even with that building in the way.

Note that your stacked 4221's compress the reception pattern in the horizontal plane. Point them towards the top of that building, not perfectly horizontally.

The UHF Rochester stations don't even appear in your TVFool,
Actually they do, just the list is too long to display, select digital only for short list.

Point them towards the top of that building, not perfectly horizontally.

byebye,

The wall mount brackets don't allow me to point the antenna in a direction above the horizontal. I can only point into third or forth floor of the building.

How many degrees is the difference between horizontal & the building roof (in the direction your pointing of course)? Pictures tend to make everything look further away then it is.

How many degrees is the difference between horizontal & the building roof (in the direction your pointing of course)? Pictures tend to make everything look further away then it is.
bybye,

about 15-25 degrees