: ON - Vaughan/Richmond Hill/Markham/North of 407 - OTA
2007-03-18, 06:42 PM
If you're talking about a wall mount, that would be better than attic, if your house is high enough. Higher is better.
I come home from work along 14th. If you're on high ground, you'll be good.
I'd recommend the 4228 over the 4221. Aim/optimise for nbc buffalo and you should get the rest of buffalo and pick up the much closer cn tower stations on a the side lobe.
Did i mention higher was better?
If you're not satisfied with your wall mount results, then you can get a roof mount for better results, because like i said, higher is better. :rolleyes:
Good Luck! Make sure you let us know your results.
2007-03-19, 12:29 AM
Now I'm confused. Is higher better? :)
just to clarify Tom.F.1 's answer, yes a wall mount will work. I am NW of Markham Rd. and Hwy 7 and use the 4221. However mine is chimney mount (because Higher is better :) )
2007-03-19, 02:53 AM
Thanks Guys for your quick response. I look around my hose and can't find a chimney, looks like I have to do the wall mount way.
I 've read some of the Yamon posts that he has added a rotor and a preamp on his setup for some reason, so I wonder if I need one for mine since we are at the same location.
Thanks for clear thing up for me. much appreciated. I will order a 4228 and post my result once i get it done.
2007-03-19, 10:49 AM
Hi Vincent, you dont really need a rotor from your location. I only used one since Iam selling them to get hands on experience.
I did a install last week around Markham Rd and Bur Oak with a 4228 on the roof and got everything. Nbc and Fox ended up at 8 bars out of 10 on a Samsung 250. City and Sun was a bar or 2 lower. Used a tripod that could be mounted any part of the slope roof. Cust wated to keep it low so its well below the peak. Mounting it higher may have gotten eben a little stronger signal. What he has is still more than enough for a steady lock.
Around 16th and 9th a 4221 get 10 out of 10 on a samsung 451 except sun at 8 bars.
North of hwy 7 the elevation is good.
Your location should be ok without a rotor, but mounting it on the side and just above the eves might give lower signal strength. You really need to mount it on the roof if the antenna will be blocked by other roof tops.
You do not need a preamp if your cable run is going to be less than 60' with the 4228. I used a preamp cause I knew I would be feeding several hdtv. Now Iam feed 6 tuners.
In response to the member inquiring about OTA reception in Uxbridge, I recently installed some equipment and was pleasantly surprised. I have a homemade (similar to the 4221 Channel Master) antenna in the attic with a distribution amp from The Source (Radio Shack) and currently receive some channels. The weather affects conditions however.
Ch 2 NBC Buffalo (spotty reception)
Ch 4 CBS Buffalo (solid signal - my best Buffalo signal)
Ch 5 CBC Toronto (solid signal)
Ch 7 ABC Buffalo (solid signal)
Ch 9 CFTO Toronto (very poor - seldom receive)
Ch 23 The CW Buffalo (receive most of the time)
Ch 25 CBC French Toronto (weak signal level but consistently received)
I am disappointed with the weak signals from Toronto and find it odd that Buffalo is easier to receive but is further away. Perhaps the valley that I am in has something to do with this?
2007-03-19, 09:13 PM
SNH, being in Uxbridge there lots of open land and space. ;) I would definately put your antenna outdoors and mount it as high as you can.
Iam sure your reception will improve greatly. From your location I would be building a 8 bay or even a 16bay antenna.
A 4 bay is not large enough from your location you are too far north. Don't expect decent results with your attic setup at the distance you located. Sorry.
Since you are handy I would try a 16 bay antenna outdoors.
2007-03-20, 07:24 PM
SNH the Toronto stations are all weak to very weak transmitters while Buffalo has high powered transmitters.Try roof mounting your antenna.
I picked up a new CM4228 today and I'm waiting for the weather to warm up to install it outside. I can't put it up in the attic temporarily because it won't fit through the attic access hole and sitting in the house it only receives one channel (CBC). Maybe it will be nicer weather this weekend :)
2007-03-25, 03:02 PM
I know the cm 4228 has less angle of reception than 4221 but higer gain, Can I use 4228 to get baffulo (degree 176) and cn Tower (degree 222) without the rotor. Or 4221 without the preamp. which one is more perferable.
Location : Markham (9th line / 14th Ave ) ( Lat 43.8633, Longt -79.2197)
the furtherest channel (NBC) I want to pick up is 85 miles away.
2007-03-25, 05:20 PM
Sbobcat if have an unobstucted view to the south then aiming at Buffalo,You will be able to receive Toronto stations off the side.
I put my 4228 up tonight and am quite disappointed. My homemade antenna in the attic was doing a better job. I am not receiving any Buffalo stations now but Toronto has improved (still no CityTV though!). I wonder if I will need a rotor because the 4228 has a more narrow "beamwidth"? (if that's the right term). When I initially aimed it, I was getting CW23 but with heavy pixelation. I then moved it more toward Toronto to peak CFTO at "3 bars" on the signal meter. This caused total loss of 23. I think I need to point even further east of the original setting to get 2,4,and 7. It looks like I also might have to buy a stronger amplifier. I sure wish CITY would come in here. It's not available in HD on my Star Choice dish. The analog 57 is fairly strong but zero on DTV.
2007-03-27, 01:26 AM
On their web site, 4221 has 45 degree of reception beamwidth compare to 15 degree on 4228. but all that is reference anyway.
2007-03-27, 04:03 AM
SNH and sbobcat, be sure to read through this thread from the beginning when you're thinking about how to compare antennas for your area. That's what all that great info is here for! :) Surrounding area threads will be helpful too.
2007-03-27, 11:45 AM
I put my 4228 up tonight and am quite disappointed. My homemade antenna in the attic was doing a better job. I am not receiving any Buffalo stations now but Toronto has improved (still no CityTV though!).Yesterday was the worst time you could have chose to test an antenna.
Fog. Fog is worse than rain or snow, downpour or blizzard.
I lost Most buffalo stations that are usually rock solid. I wouldn't think Uxbridge is too far to get CityHD. But I suspect you'll need a rotor to switch between buffalo & toronto. City is very very low power. They're meant to be a local (city) broadcaster, not regional like the big stations.
2007-03-28, 01:24 AM
Hello, I've just moved to Stouffville, east of 9th line, south of Main st. I picked up a CM4228, basically tossed it in the attic with about 100ft of RG6, hooked into my HTPC in the basement, and -no big surprise here- I get NO signal! I am planning on going back into the attic, shortening the run to about 60-70ft, and having a friend 2-way as I possition.
Before I do this, (and yes, it must stay in the attic asp.my wife) does anyone have any pointers, or any idea of what I should be hoping to achieve as a result?
Any help is gold.
2007-03-28, 10:00 AM
I put my 4228 up tonight and am quite disappointed. My homemade antenna in the attic was doing a better job. I am not receiving any Buffalo stations now but Toronto has improvedThats tough, your a good 100 miles from the South Buffalo stations (NBC, ABC, CBS). For the most part, thats DXing range, not regular reception.
If you get your antenna up high, like high, and preamp the hell out of it, aim it straight at south buffalo, and u should be able to pick up CBS, ABC, and hopefully NBC.
With city-dt, i'm in a similar situation to you. I'm 45 miles from the CN Tower. Basically, with a preamped CM4228 and very good line of sight, I have about 5 degrees in which my antenna must be aimed to bring in city-dt. Any other position and I get a zero lock. Surprisingly though, as long as my antenna is aimed, city is fairly reliable over here, and it usually gets even stronger in summer
I believe citys transmitter is very directional towards you and away from me, so u may have an easier time receiving city with a preamp.
2007-03-28, 10:12 AM
Hello, I've just moved to Stouffville, east of 9th line, south of Main st.try aiming directly in the direction of the CN Tower, and then try tuning in 20-1. You should be able to get CBC-HD with a CM4228. You'd be able to get CBC-HD which rabbit ears from where you are.
Do you have an analog TV you could hook the antenna up to to make sure pulling in the TO analogs properly. You should be able to get 19, 41, 47 all perfectly clear.
2007-03-28, 11:49 AM
I do have a little old analog tv that I can use to guage the TO stations. I'll give that a try. I've heard of some people in my area using this combo without any preamp...I know Yaamon is famiar with Stouffville...
2007-03-28, 02:13 PM
Jamieson, if you use the "Search This Thread" tool with Stouffville as the search term you'll see plenty of posts in this thread about how others have done in your area. Let us know if you have any questions.
2007-03-28, 03:33 PM
I'm in Markham, probably less than 7 miles SW of you, and I get all Buffalo and Toronto (SUN TV and NBC are on the "weak" side, but very watchable), with an unamped, stationary, 4221. But you are probably close to 300' higher in elevation than me, so barring local obstacles to your antenna (ie your nieghbours house, your attic ;), etc. ), you should be able to get some results.
If I could make a suggestion...
I am planning on going back into the attic, shortening the run to about 60-70ft, and having a friend 2-way as I possition.
I know you are set on an attic install, but before you finalize your set-up, first try your above mentioned technique from the roof with the shortest piece of RG6 you have, running in a window (or something similar). This will give you a baseline of your reception capablilities and might even help with aiming when you take your antenna back into your attic. From there you will better know if pre-amp is necessary (which is likely given it is going to be in the attic and your longer run).