Sorry for the late response .... I was able to get it to work ....

I am using a channel master 4221HD antenna pointed towards Buffalo. Cabling is RG6 about 50-60' run to the inside of the house. Unfortunately i cannot go any higher at the moment unless i move it to the rooftop or get a tower.

What i did to fix it, was cfto would not scan in to my lineup, so i added it manually and this for some strange reason works. I am going to try the same thing for hamilton as they will not scan in either.

I think that multipath is my problem, as there are a number of large buildings directly in the path of my antenna

I am using an htpc with 2 tuners hauppage 1800 & 950Q. not sure if these turners are also causing any issues.

Thanks

I am having trouble getting 41 and 52. All Buffallo and Hamiton, and
other Toronto come in good. Pointing 115 deg

William

Hello! :)

41 and 52. Are you talking about the analog channels of Global 41 and SunTV 52? Or do you mean their digital versions (Global on 65.1/41.1, SunTV on 66.1)?

The analog versions should be coming in fine. I had a seperate attic installation that picked them up kinda snowy but useable. (Clarkson village southdown + lakeshore are).

For my digital setup, a CM4221 4bay eaglestar clone hoisted on a 30 foot tower pointing 135-140 deg (halfway between Buffalo and Batavia). I have 150feet of RG6 coax, with a CM7777 preamp. It's enough to get me everything except WNYB 26-1 and ION 51-1 which are sketchy. I too had issues with Global and SUN digital before the preamp. That might help you. Especially if you have a really long cable. Antenna aimed at 130-140 degrees should work for most parts of Missisauga.

For Missisauga and Burnhamthorpe, I suggest some height might not hurt. There are alot of trees in your area, and they might be blocking the really weak signals from coming in.

here are a few questions that will help us help you.

Could you provide us with a TVFool report? (tvfool.com enter your co-ordinates)
What height is your antenna and what is the make/model of it?
How long of a coaxial cable is between your TV/tuner and the antenna?
Is the cable RG-6 or RG-59? (RG6 is better)
Do you have a preamplifier installed? What make/model?
Do you have any large buildings, trees around where you live that can possibly cause interference?

Welcome to the forum!

Mississauga Road and Burnhamthorpe? Yeah, that's Credit River valley area. It'll be a challenge.

WillyH, you need to get some height on your antenna. Are you able to get Global and Sun when you point your antenna at roughly 60 degrees?

You could just wait until august 2011 when global,sun move back to lower frequency and more power.

Hi mr weather and little-infinity Thanks for the welcome
Global 41.1 and Sun 66.1 come in poor and break-up
Buffalo 2.2, 4.1, 7.1, 17.1, 23.1 and 29.1 come in at 80+
Hamilton at 80+
Toronto 5.1, 9.1, 57.1 and Omni 1 and 2 come in 86+
Set-up CM4221 on 25ft mast on chimney, 30ft RG6 cable
to monster surge and filter, 3ft RG6 to new Sony HDTV
Yes, lots of tall trees and 2 storey homes around me, mine
is a 1 storey. TVFool report I have, gives Totonto 76 deg
and Buffalo 144-150 deg.
115 deg seems to give me best results. Get a little break-up
1 to 2 seconds, but only 1 or 2 times a night, but I think this
caused by air plane flight path to my south.
I am down Mississauga Rd 2 streets among monster houses,
may have to get taller mast, or build a new house (:-

Hi rob50312
Not missing much on Global or Sun.
Can get it all on Buffalo, just wondering why it does not come in
Is it coming from the CN tower like the rest.

It's because they're both broadcasting on extremely low power, like a measly 2 KW. And of course the crazy multipath you're probably getting with all those obstructions.

Add to that most modern antennas aren't really well engineered to recieve high-UHF such as 65 and 66 (since those channels 52-69 are being taken off for TV use...).

You will probably need a preamp too.
Or you could sacrifice the Buffalo stations and do a direct aim at Toronto, which will get them in nice, but obviously I don't recommend that course of action. :)

Wondering if any gurus could share their thoughts.... I have moved my location to location... second story of house on a j mast. I have tried a lot of different things (Save & Replay has been great with advice and gear). Current config is a 4221HD with a DB8 ganged together (same length of RG6) with a pre-amp both pointed at buffalo. I get 4 & 7 fairly solid but 2.1 and 29 are mostly no lock. I can get 29 but moving my 2nd antenna but would much prefer 2.1 and it just won't come in.... Should I move to a different type of antenna. Also get 5, 9,11,17, 23, 25, 41,44, 57,64. Should I say good enough. Quite surprised at how much antenna it has taken me to get this far!

Lagerman i dont think a different antenna will make much difference.You probably need more height.A good preamp and short cable with no splits.Try using just the DB 8 at buffalo with and without preamp.

lagerman, in Post #1116 you were asking about having one antenna aimed towards Buffalo and the other towards Toronto, which is fine even if they are not the same antenna design, but from what I'm reading you now have the CM4221HD and the DB8 aimed at Buffalo with their outputs joined?

Thanks Rob50312 & Stampeder for your replies,

I went much higher 20 ft to the west of current location.... and got very little. It is a weird one but I think the mature trees of my area coupled with a number of large apartments in a line with buffalo a km or 2 away are killing me. I have a good preamp and yes Stampeder, since I get the TO stations well I am stacking a DB8 & a 4221 HD together aimed at Buffalo. If I take off the preamp I get no buffalo stations. I have tried just the DB8 and just the 4221hd and neither will close the deal on a stable 2.1. Cables are all rg6 and in good shape. I think I am just in a bad location. I was wondering if a Yagi aimed at buffalo might help? It is killing me that guys are tossing a 4221hd in their attic and getting everything..... and I have had a 4221hd 30ft up a pole and gotten few us channels. The stacked 2 give me a bit stronger signal than just the db8 or 4221hd do alone. Any thoughts much appreciated.... especially since I am disconnecting Rogers tomorrow....lol.

I would contact a professional installer in your area. He would probably have a signal meter that could first determine if the signals are available to receive for your location. Save and Replay would also probably have some contacts.

I am stacking a DB8 & a 4221 HD togetherYou are stacking dissimilar antennas, which is never recommended since they can work against each other in many ways (beam patterns, impedance, phase, etc.).

Agreed on getting a professional site survey done if stacking 2 identical antennas doesn't do the trick.

Lagerman if your signals are blocked by big building then your chasing reflected Buffalo signals.You could try a yagi like XG-91 but its 100$ gamble and is more directional.

I am stacking 2 dissimilar antennas because I already did a $100 gamble on a DB8 which is only slightly stronger in my setting than the balun reversed 4221HD. Not sure I want to try a 2nd $100 investment in another Db8.... perhaps a second 4221HD modified might be a cheaper route? The site survey is a good idea.... Will contact Save & Replay about it if I go that route... he is only about 6 km's away. I did my on broomstick site survey as suggested by S & R... and couldn't really do any better than current spot with the possible exception of going vertical onto the 2nd story roof. With this cold weather I might say it is good enough till spring also. This has taken me way longer than I thought it would... they aren't kidding when they call it a hobby....

I'm now having problems getting a lock on 2.1 now too. Even though I'm receiving 50% signal 2.1, 2.2 and 2.3 won't lock. I can get other channels at 50% signal however. Also now getting 11.1, 25.1 and 36.1. Should I buy a preamp, and how much would a good one cost?

I bought my Channel Master 7777 last year for $110. The Winegard equivalent (8275) was around $100.

Ok, will the preamp benefit me? I don't really feel like spending another $100 when I'll only be living here another 12 weeks.

It will benefit you, but you have to decide if the $100 is worth it for another 12 weeks or not. Really up to you on that.