: ON - Mississauga, Brampton, Bramalea, Port Credit - OTA
2009-08-07, 02:47 PM
Hello leokine and welcome here - you don't need/want an omnidirectional antenna in Brampton. I've moved your post into this thread for your area so please read through it to see what others near you have done for OTA success.
Just a further note - you need to get your TVFool results because I'm positive that you do not have OTA stations coming in from 360° around you. :)
2009-08-09, 08:02 PM
Just wondering what the preferred antenna is for this area? The CM4221HD or CM4228HD?
From what I can gather by reading this site, these antennas have recently been redesigned and now perform worse than the originals. Are they still worth buying or should I consider something else?
2009-08-09, 08:44 PM
We are looking for a temporary antenna set-up for OTA. We have approx 6 months before moving. They told us at the store that we would likely need a tower to receive the Buffalo stations but with the move in view, it's not practical to install an expensive tower. I'm looking for recommendations of the best, cost effective antenna type to hook up for the short term that would hopefully get the major networks and FOX from Buffalo. All input is welcome. If it's not going to be doable, I'd rather know before I sink alot of money and effort into a lost cause. Once we move of course I plan to do it up right, but just looking to catch some TV for the 6 months we are still here. Thanks.
2009-08-10, 09:47 AM
I had a client in northwest Mississauga a few weeks ago. I installed a CM4228HD, CM rotor and CM Pre-amp a few weeks ago on a chimney mount with straps.
To test, we used wgrz-dt, turned the rotor till we got 97% and I went home. Happy customer!
2009-08-13, 05:38 PM
Quick question for those that live in the Brampton area. I am going to pick up the 4221HD and mounting that on the roof. Do I need a preamp?
2009-08-13, 06:26 PM
gsxrboy, your answer is in Post #778 :)
Use the Search This Thread tool to the upper right beside Thread Tools and put in your street names as search terms, and there are results already posted from where you live.
Ever since I put up my 4221 antenna and started enjoying OTA, I've been satisfied for the most part, however a few channels are still driving me crazy.
NBC Buffalo (2-1) and Fox Buffalo (29-1) are good most of the time, but I'm noticing frequent, usually very short dropouts. In most cases, these only last less than a second, but as of today, these dropouts last several minutes. Pretty annoying, making it impossible to watch them.
Nothing has changed in the location, or the orientation of my antenna. It still faces south east, mostly south though, and as a result of that I have a few issues with the Canadian stations (Global and City TV), but I'm not too worried about them.
When I run "Digital TV Antenna Signal Strength" in Vista Media Center, both 2-1 and 29-1 give me dramatically different readings. For example, in one scan they would show all notches fully green (maximum signal strength), and then in the very next scan they would go to only 1 red notch (practically no signal). The result, obviously all these dropouts I'm experiencing.
I don't have any problems with the other two Buffalo stations (CBS - 4-1 and ABC - 7-1).
The antenna is on the the balcony of my condo, placed very low, almost on the ground. I've tried bringing it up considerably higher, but the results were even worse, which really surprised me. Anyway, I have to keep it low (hidden), because of the condo rules.
Any ideas of how to try to improve the reception for these 2 channels?
Thanks as always, for all the good advices.
Bottom line: I don't understand why sometimes the signal for these two channels (2-1 and 29-1) is very good for hours, and then all of sudden, I get these dropouts that last anything between a second and a few minutes. The antenna position is the same and the weather conditions are the same.
Is there any way to eliminate these problems?
2009-08-17, 09:10 PM
The atmospheric conditions around your house may be constant but they may not be the same around the area of the transmitters, or even around the path the signals take from the transmitters to your antenna. That is the big issue.
How to fix it? Using a higher gain antenna and/or mounting the antenna higher will help.
Thanks, Mr Weather. I wonder if a PreAmp would be helpful at all? My concern is that when these few minutes long dropouts occur, the signal could be so low, that even boosting it up might not help. Maybe I'm wrong.
Also, can I expect more problems with these two channels, and generally, in the winter months?
2009-08-18, 10:29 AM
Winter tends to stabilize OTA reception but the overall signal strength of all the channels is lower.
A pre-amp can be a blessing and a curse. A pre-amp will increase the signal strength of ALL channels which helps if you have a long coax cable run from the antenna to your tv. Unfortunately, it can also introduce signal overload which will lead to a loss of other channels because the tv can't handle such high signal levels.
Should I get a CH4221HD or CH4228HD? Location is Goreway and Derry by airport. Buffalo and CN tower have some trees in the way (backyard). Mounting it on chimney of 1 story house 35ft above ground.
2009-08-19, 04:36 PM
You're a little farther away than I am but your angle between the CN Tower and Buffalo is narrower. I'd suggest a 4228HD. More gain with a narrower beamwidth compared to the 4221HD. You may be lucky and not need a rotator at all.
Plot your coordinates in TVFool to get an idea on distance and bearing to the transmitters.
2009-08-20, 12:16 PM
now have a CM4221hd about 25' up in the air pointed at buffalo using tvfool. Some tree issues (see pic) (http://www.digitalhome.ca/forum/album.php?albumid=308&pictureid=1383). On a 30 ft run straight into dvr Pal am getting wned 17.1 about 73 signal strength... most mainstream Buffalo stations are intermittent including Ion. Wondering what my next steps are ... CM777 preamp from saveandreplay? Second cm4221 stacked from same? I can't really go higher and cutting down neighbor's trees might not go over well..... Cheers for any thoughts..
Location Steeles & Hurontario
2009-08-20, 12:50 PM
If trees are an issue, I would go with a 91XG over a 4228HD, or another 4221HD. If the cable run is not long, no need for 7777, try first w/o it.
2009-08-20, 01:30 PM
Are you suggesting (to Lagerman) stacking 91XG with a 4221HD (or 4228HD) for getting Buffalo and TO? Currently stacking two 4221HD's... but am considering adding the yagi to the mix. Any special measures need to be taken to stack these up, or would the usual reverse splitter with even cable lengths do the trick? Thanks.
2009-08-20, 01:50 PM
At this point, I wouldn't suggest stacking. The 91XG Yagi has a narrow beam width, which should help with the trees factor, it's gain is very high- helps in getting BUF. Use the single 91XG and see what happens.
Decided on the 4228HD and a Antra AT-PAU18 pre-amp. Mounted it on the back porch 6ft of the ground temporarily. Aimed it at a landmark according to TVFool was in line with Buffalo. Didn't even adjust the antenna yet, and getting all channels at 80% except MyTV, ION, 26, CTS. Hopefully mounted 30ft higher and some adjusting MyTv and ION will come in.
2009-08-24, 12:55 PM
Hi, just bought a Channel Master 4221HD Antenna and trying it out on my Samsung SyncMaster T260HD which doubles as a monitor. Reception good to excellent, got all the majors, NBC, CBS, ABC Fox, PBS, MyTV, plus all locals, including E channel in Hamilton, but with EXCEPTION to City TV and CTS (which does not bother me).
Seems I would have to sacrifice all the USA and Hamilton ones for City TV as the antenna seems quite directional in nature.
Now the question, if I get an Amp, would I blow the doors off the USA and strong locals to get this weak one? And why would City be a weak one to start with? I would have thought I could pick this one up using 'wet string'.
Any help would be most appreciated. Antenna mounted on second floor of townhouse with townhouses behind me but quite far, like two back yards and a street in between..thanks
2009-08-24, 01:07 PM
the bigger question is why do you want city when you have all there programing from the original source.