goforit:

You would be better off with 4228's stacked and pointed to Buffalo and the 4221's pointed at Toronto. Much more directional with stacked 4228's and will get you less interference from CH on the sides. The 4228's are better for Buffalo and the 4221's are better for Toronto. I dont know why you dont try that, IMO you have your antennas in reverse as to what they should be. 4221's are better for higher UHF from T.O. and the 4228's are better for Buffalo.

Just trying to help:

PS: I'll bet you pick up WNYO better with this setup.

Bob
I've thought of that, but then that would mean I have to buy another antenna (a second 4228HD), and do the instal. Right now I'm happy- all TO/BUF come in, including WNYO, as well ION 51 comes in regularly- much more than before. But you're right, doing the 4228HD stack would probably be better in rejecting the unwanted CHCH tower signals. I also thought about getting a 91XG and aim it to BUF. The 4221HDs are great, in that I don't have to use the rotor (hopefully it lasts longer) and get all the BUF stations like I said.

Cheers!

Glad to hear that goforit. I stacked 2 4228's and it helped rejecting the strong CH signal for me as well as WNYO reception improved.

Bob

Ya, I really wanted to get WNYO- I like some of the shows on it. ION is no big deal- it has movies but no HD. I guess I'm spolied on HD.

Anyways, WNYO is RF 49.1 so that was another reason I went with the 4221HDs, it's better on high UHF than the 4228; as well, if not hacked, the 4228HDs are pitiful. Also, not using an amp and attenuating the signal help my BUF signals.

Cheers! :cool:

All attempts at combining signals from two antennae have failed: the nutech combiner kit and the Home Depot combiner mentioned elsewhere on this board both weaken the signal to a point where WNED disappears. The AB switch is even worse! A preamp might help, but on the other hand the CHCH signals may overwhelm it.
The solution? A rotor would, I think, give me what I need.

I'm located in Stoney Creek. I mounted 2 4221HD's on the roof (40'). I mounted them on the satelite type J mount about 3' from each other. I aimed one @ Buffalo & the other at CN tower. In the attic I have an signal amplifier on the buffalo antenna & nothing on the canadian antenna after that i have a winegard cc7870 & a 3 way spilter to 3 tv's. The signal to the tv's no matter what i do never goes over 40. I aimed the 4221hd's using tvfool & the magnetic north. could the problem be that the antennas are only a couple inches off the roof & are not totally 90 degrees. or do I need a preamp. If I need a preamp what one should I use for both antennas. thanks

Try connecting just only 1 antenna at a time.Each antenna will cancel out some from each other.

tried that aleady. signal low still! i get the same channels after the cc7870 with less signal. Do u think moving the 4221hd's up 12" of the roof will help?

How is the signal on 15-1 and 18-1.

That tower is in your backyard.

on 15.1 the signal is 80 however it pixelates sometimes, 17.1-17.3 is less that 30 and i don't get channel 18.1. Both antennas are mount on my roof (40'). see first post. thanks

and i don't get channel 18.1.

18.0 should remap to 11.1 or 11-1. What does that come in at?

I don't get a peep here on 15.1. Never have, but that's an anomaly of the apartment building. :)

15.1 pixelating me thinks is your getting severe overload... Thoughts anyone?

Cameron

tried that aleady. signal low still! i get the same channels after the cc7870 with less signal. Do u think moving the 4221hd's up 12" of the roof will help?
Need to know more of your location- main intersection. Any obstructions around you? If you can, try with just one antenna- the Buffalo one, remove/take down the other - even if it is not connected it could interfere with the antenna that is connected.

Hello Everyone, i've just started to get involved with Antenna OTA and reading up.

What would I need to get all three Hamilton, Toronto and Buffalo stations with good signal strength?

So far i've gathered that I would need a CM4221 (modified), preamp, R6 75-100ft cable, eaves drop mount.

Location:
Stoney Creek/Grimsby Border by the Lake (Fifty Road - North Service)

No obstructions except the tops of houses and some trees in the distance.

(wouldn't mind spending a few extra dollars to get a attic install working, but I guess I need to walk before I can run)

Could anyone steer me in the right direction before I start spending money on a setup that will only have issues in the near future.

Thank you in advance

So far i've gathered that I would need a CM4221 (modified), preamp, R6 75-100ft cable, eaves drop mount.

Sounds good but you may want to combine 2, one for TO and one for BUF.

domino:

Well, you probably know that if you go with an attic instal- signal strength will suffer dramatically; you should still be able to get all TO channels, but Buffalo will be difficult- maybe WNLO and WNED, but less chance for others with the antenna inside. If this is all you want than you could start with the 4221HD aimed for Grand Island and see if you can pick up TO on the side. If not, you could add a second 4221HD aimed for TO. If you want more Buffalo channels, then you would start with either an Antennas Direct DB8, or the 91XG, but remember the attic install will hamper things.

Good Luck! :cool:

Yes, I'm hoping to get TO on the side with decent reception... It's worth a shot, i'll report back when I get to this.

I think this will be an outdoor hookup, I'd rather not complicate things when learning.

Question, a few days now while we've been getting wonderful weather, some of my channels have been flaky, Buffalo and T.O., however, I am getting ION which I don't consistently get. To recap, I have two 4221HDs on separate tripods at different heights (one pointing at T.O., one at Buffalo), ganged to a simple splitter to a Winegard 269 preamp.

Are these tropo days and the preamp is overpowering the signals?
Or is there something wrong with the preamp?
Or something I'm missing that's going on?

ancaster,

Tropo don't last very long...I don't see much tropo activity in my area. If the problem have been consistent, check the pre-amp.

To recap, I have two 4221HDs on separate tripods at different heights (one pointing at T.O., one at Buffalo), ganged to a simple splitter to a Winegard 269 preamp.

Are these tropo days and the preamp is overpowering the signals?
Or is there something wrong with the preamp?
Or something I'm missing that's going on?

I would take the pre amp out of the loop and see what happens. I strongly suspect the pre amp, but I`m partial to think this as I went through 3 of them until I changed to a 7778.

Question, a few days now while we've been getting wonderful weather, some of my channels have been flaky, Buffalo and T.O., however, I am getting ION which I don't consistently get. To recap, I have two 4221HDs on separate tripods at different heights (one pointing at T.O., one at Buffalo), ganged to a simple splitter to a Winegard 269 preamp.

Are these tropo days and the preamp is overpowering the signals?
Or is there something wrong with the preamp?
Or something I'm missing that's going on?
If there was something wrong with your pre-amp, you would notice it on every channel- all lower strength. I've done away with my hdp-269 (accidentally), and get better reception of my Buffalo stations, especially WNYO and ION. However, the Erie channels are not as strong, which is no big deal- I get all the networks from BUF.

If you can, try by-passing the pre-amp and see if signal strength changes for BUF, especially WUTV and WNYO.

Cheers!

That is what threw me off, I was getting the distant channels while not getting the easy ones. Sorry, when I say "a few days now", I mean separate days, a few hours at a time, mainly starts when there is a quick temp/humidity change in the weather... not sure.
I'll try bypassing the preamp the next time it happens. I just got my ladder back, I'll also go up there and check the connections in case it's a random thing and has nothing to do with the tropo I think I am interpreting.

Panamark, what were the symptoms when your HDP269s started to fail, or did they just blow out?