I wouldn't want to bet that Erie ATSC stations come consistantly in Woodstock. I am 80 miles from Detroit ATSC stations which are at 1M watts and I cannot receive them 24/7/365 . I also have the Delhi 60 foot tower.

What must be realized is that signals travel farther distances over water. In Mississauga watching Buffalo channels, 90% or more of the signal travel is over water. The same cannot be said for Woodstock looking at Erie.

The height of tower and height above sea level of the towers will determine the reliable range and antenna height at reception.Going over water as flat definitely will help.Buffalo and Erie have towers are on high ground in the hills.Buffalo south towers were installed when tv begun to serve cities of Rochester,Erie,Toronto before they had their own stations.Detriot towers are on low ground reducing their range in comparision.

I think that I will plug back in the rotor and try to point the antenna at Buffalo when I get home. I'll let you know how I make out. There are more trees in line with Buffalo but we have a clear line of sight to Buffalo. Thought with Erie being closer it would be easier to receive. But did not realize they were not at full power.

Thanks again,

Steve

P.S. I work in T'Burg and know it is not a problem to pick up ATSC Erie stations with an outdoor antenna.
:D

Has anyone in the GTA been able to pull in Erie 50?

And while it is the same HD feed, the sub channels may be different...

Approx 11 Miles South of Brantford Ontario
Humax HA100 digital receiver
CM 4228 Ant
Channel Master Titan 7777 duel input masthead preamp
Rotor 9521A
Now on a 60' tower
The tower was needed in order to receive wireless internet so I might as well kill two birds with one stone so to speak:)


2-1 WGRZ-DT 80%
2-2 WGRZ-DT 80%
4-1 WIVB-HD 90%
4-3 WNL0-SD 90%
5-1 CBLT-DT 90%
7-1 WKBW-DT 90%
9-1 CFTO-DT 60%
15-1 CKXT-2 90%
23-1 WIVB-HD 80%
23-3 WNLO-SD 90%
25-1 CBLFT-D 60%
26-1 WNYB-DT 80%
29-1 WUTV-HD 90%
29-2 WUTV-SD 90%
43-1 WNED-HD 90%
43-2 WNED-SD 90%
43-3 THINK-B 90%
53-1 WPGH-HD 90%
54-1 WQLN 80%
66-1 WFXP 60%

Many other stations show up on the receiver but too weak a signal get a picture such as WPGH,WUHF,WOUC,WFUM,WNVB,WDWB

Great results tricky I think if you rotate your antenna almost dead south you might even get Erie.

You should be able to get them as they are right across the lake.

Those stations you listed that are weak are from Detroit, Rochester, and Pittsburgh. Its amazing what your 60' tower and height does for the signal.

I am amazed what the height does for the analog signals 2,4 and 7 from Buffalo.

WQLN is from Erie and I get that without problems.

I have a samsung sirt351 and I'm trying to get it set up. This is what I have so far.

Location: Brantford: 43.13 North 80.2 West approximately
Distance from Towers: Toronto 55.5 miles, Buffalo Grand Island 67.8 miles

Supposedly there is also a weak tower in Hamilton which is about 20 miles away.

Here are my questions:

1. Has anyone in Brantford managed to setup a successful OTA reception (I saw the guy that is 11 miles south but I am in the city so want to know if it can be done)

2. If so, what antenna would be best. I'm looking at the Channel Master 4228.

3. Any suggestions on setup, preamps etc since I'm fairly new to this.

Thanks

From your location I would recommend that you buy a 4228 and a 9521 rotor.

The angles are too great you are the tip of a triangle and the other ends are Toronto and Buffalo.

Make sure the antenna has a good clear view towards Toronto and Buffalo.

If your cable run is not too long less than 60' you might not need a preamp. Try this setup wihtout a preamp and if you find that on the Samsung the signals are half way then a preamp would mostly likely improve your signal.

Good luck.

From what I've read, I'll probably need a preamp as well.

So is the design of the Channel Master 4228 better than something like a Channel Master 4248?

Which of the two do you suspect would get the best reception from Buffalo (70 miles) plus pre amp.

kbanse on Channel master web site the 4248 is only rated for 45 miles like the 4221, the 4228 is rated for 60 miles.

http://www.channelmaster.com/home.htm

With a 4221 in the Toronto/gta with a clear view its able to pickup all the stations from Buffalo.

So yes the 4248 should work since its rated the same as a 4221.

kbanse,I am also in Brantford,currently trying to get set up for ota.Where are you purchasing your antenae from and for how much.
Aaron

aaron, haven't tracked down a dealer yet but I have a lead on someone in Cambridge that sells channel master if that is what I go with.

In the US, I've seen antenna for $60, preamps and rotors for about the same.

There is also some on ebay and one guy is about half an hour over the border in lockport.

I'll let you know if I find anything, Cambridge may be the place

What setup are you looking for?

kbanse, Aaron, and tricky, I've moved your posts about purchasing equipment to the thread shown below, where you'll find lots of great info on that topic rather than have to do a lot of digging yourselves:

http://www.digitalhomecanada.com/forum/showthread.php?t=23984

I live near CAYUGA, Ont. I reacently bought a SONY 42" HDTV with the ATSC tuner... I pluged in my antenna and was able to recieve most of the digi channels that everyone else is getting...

I DID get 9-1 one night... I had the antenna pointing due north and there it was... Now I cant get it anymore... But I now get CITYTV HD 53-2. I bought a CM 7775 Pre-Amp, but havnt had a chance to hook it up... I will let you know how it works... :)

Approx 7 Miles North of Waterford Ontario
Humax HA100 digital receiver
CM 4228 Ant
Channel Master Titan 7777 duel input masthead preamp
Rotor 9521A
60' tower



2-1 WGRZ-DT 80%
2-2 WGRZ-DT 80%
4-1 WIVB-HD 90%
4-3 WNL0-SD 90%
5-1 CBLT-DT 90%
7-1 WKBW-DT 90%
9-1 CFTO-DT 60%
15-1 CKXT-2 90%
23-1 WIVB-HD 80%
23-3 WNLO-SD 90%
25-1 CBLFT-D 60%
26-1 WNYB-DT 80%
29-1 WUTV-HD 90%
29-2 WUTV-SD 90%
43-1 WNED-HD 90%
43-2 WNED-SD 90%
43-3 THINK-B 90%
53-1 CITY-HD 50%
54-1 WQLN 80%
66-1 WFXP 60%

tricky what about Erie :) with your rotor setup.

If you can get Buffalo you can get Erie across the lake. :)

WQLN is from Erie,

Yes I also get 24-1 WJET but it is only 50-60% signal

I thought that was on the list I shall edit the list :)

Approx 7 Miles North of Waterford Ontario
Humax HA100 digital receiver
CM 4228 Ant
Channel Master Titan 7777 duel input masthead preamp
Rotor 9521A
60' tower



2-1 WGRZ-DT 80%
2-2 WGRZ-DT 80%
4-1 WIVB-HD 90%
4-3 WNL0-SD 90%
5-1 CBLT-DT 90%
7-1 WKBW-DT 90%
9-1 CFTO-DT 60%
15-1 CKXT-2 90%
23-1 WIVB-HD 80%
23-3 WNLO-SD 90%
24-1 WJET-DT 50-60%
25-1 CBLFT-D 60%
26-1 WNYB-DT 80%
29-1 WUTV-HD 90%
29-2 WUTV-SD 90%
43-1 WNED-HD 90%
43-2 WNED-SD 90%
43-3 THINK-B 90%
53-1 CITY-HD 50%
54-1 WQLN 80%
66-1 WFXP 60%

Hey I just started reading and messing around..I am located just outside of Jarvis, I picked up a used Motorola HDT 100 on ebay and hooked it up to my old antenna on a 30 ft tower still using old Rg59 that was original 80's install.

I am getting these channels intermtently(pixalization depending on weather due to crappy antenna)
2-01 WRGZ-HD
2-02 WGRZ-SD
4-01 WIVB-HD
4-03 WNLO-SD
5-01 CBLT-DT
7-01 WKBW-HD
26-1 WNYB-DT
54-1 WQLN-DT
66-1 WFXP-Dt
24-01 WJET-Dt

I am planning on rewiring with RG 11 to my fuse panel
I have to relocate my tower as it is stuck in trees and the antenna has dropped several elements over the years and the rotor mount is damaged so I can't adjust now
I have talked to the the local antenna guys and they are trying to sell me a wade 2900 for around $200..
I have read on this forum that most swear by the Channel master 4228 anyone in Haldimand have experience with this unit? where can I get it locally?

C.