I'm in the Lower Mainland of BC, so around Vancouver. I record the HD channels AND analog channels via S-Video and they used to work fine, now nothing records, I tried pulling out the video and recording and it worked fine then I plugged in the s-video cable and i get the video signal error thing i talked about earlier.

To Roreman
When you say you can record these programs, I assume you mean record to PC or Mac...
See the Digital Home FAQ "Recording HD" for explanation of the flags.

It would affect any firewire device, like D-VHS in the same way I assume, unless you can always record to D-VHS because it's considered "safe", but then couldn't record from there (with 5C=1). Perhaps someone with a D-VHS can comment.

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With the forum rearrangement, I cant find that FAQ, so that I can review the various limitations imposed by 5C
Can you post link or in which forum? Is it a "sticky"

However the core question remains - it looks like 307-310 have 5C enabled in many parts of Lower Mainland at least
I have recorded to Mac in past from 307 (Fox), so this is actually a regressive change - cant comment if 308-310 were ever 5C free
Hopefully over next few days, we will here something "officail" from Shaw on htis

With the forum rearrangement, I cant find that FAQ, There's a blue bar a couple of inches down from the top. In there is "FAQs" link, with a pulldown for Digital Home FAQs...

http://digitalhomecanada.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=30

why do I always miss the obvious?

Nice clear FAQ, thanks

Now I just have to hope that Shaw clear the 5C'=1 on all 300 channels
Jeff

Jeff, yes, sorry if my post seemed abiguous...my bad. Yes I mean transferring to my pc via firewire. I tried a couple of live shows after I read your post, and then I tried transferring a bit of the Daily Show, which I recorded onto the 6412 last night. All of them transferred fine to my pc, and were playable using VLC.

As usual, good posts here - thanks to above posters

The answer at my end is a bit hard to believe

Have both a 6200 and 6208 here
The 6200 is 5C=1 for channels 307-310 (this is the one I record to PC from)
The 6208 is 5C=0 for channels 307-310

Go figure!!!
Anyway restarting the 6200 and will let you know the situation - so the explanation remains unclear, altho it looks like Shaw is not implementing the dreaded 5C=1 across the board, as yet. Could this be an individual hardware issue

10 min with the 6200 unplugged from power made no change to Ch310 - still 5C=1

Not sure what to make of this - how do I do a complete reset on a 6200?
I would like to wipe all settings, altho this may make no difference to issue

I sent an e-mail to a Shaw contact (the one who looked into it last time). I will post when I get a reply.

Hi, new to the forum, and here for very good reason.

I have a panasonic DMR-E85H dvd video recorder. I have a Shaw 6200 hi-def box. I have an s-video connection from the cable box to the dvd recorder. For the last several months, I have been able to record analog, digital, and hi-definition broadcasts to the panasonic HDD using the s-video input on the recorder. Last week I lost all recording capability, coinciding at the same time Shaw enabled VOD on the hi-def boxes in Vancouver. I called Shaw yesterday, and was told that last week they did a firmware upgrade and enabled HDCP protection system wide on their digital services, as per CRTC mandate.

I can no longer record any shows nor any channels on the panasonic recorder. The message is "Cannot record. Copy of this material not allowed". This happens with analog, digital, and HD channels.

To test, I connected my old Shaw 2500 model to the Panasonic recorder, and can record any of the digital or analog channels without any issues. So the Panasonic is recording ok. It is the HDCP handshake with the HD box that is causing a major issue for me.

Shaw says that my panasonic DMR-E85H is not HDCP compliant, and therefore will not work now, and that my only option is to bypass the cable box and record channels 2 - 58 using a coaxial cable from the wall directly to the panasonic recorder. They also said upgrading to their 2-tuner hi-def tuner would allow me to record. At the same time they said that recording "should" work via my s-video connection since it is not a digital connection. So they pointed back to my Panny as being the problem again.

As far as I know, none of the dvd-recorders on the market from the past couple of years are hdcp compatible, with the exception of newer models that have DVI or HDMI connections. The DMR-E85H has nothing in the user guide about HDCP, and nothing on the panny website about this either.

Any insight or ideas here are welcome.

PPAT

AFAIK DHCP only applies to digital signals via DVI or HDMI
Shaw has always implemented DHCP - from the very beginning of the 6200, you could not connect it to a computer LCD (with DVI in) successfully. Yes, it connects electrically, but the video shuts off within a second, as soon as it fails to get a return handshake from the LCD. Most computer LCD monitors dont support DHCP

FOr analog signals (component/s-video/composite/coaxial), Macrovision is the main protection mechanism
With a typical VHS-tape VCR, it will record a macrovision protected source eg a commercial dvd from a DVD player, but it will not be viewable with rolling video and discoloration

Most computer capture cards will not record a macrocvision protected signal, and this may be what you are seeing with your dvd video recorder, as its capture chip is likely very similar to those used in PC's

With component, not sure whether macrovision disrupts visually, but macrovision can make a HD source produce 480i only (not true HD). There are no home-based component-based DVD recorders that record at higher than 480i anyway

So what you are seeing may be enabling of macrovision on the various analog outputs

As stated, HDCP only applies to DVI and HDMI and only relates to the "handshake" between devices, one of the devices being a "display" like an HDTV. There are no recording devices with DVI or HDMI inputs, so HDCP doesn't apply. Someone fed you a pack of lies.

5C and broadcast flags are a different matter and affect either a channel on a STB or a particular programme (as mentioned in the Digital Home FAQ "Recording HD"). Any "OTA-type" programming should have no "flags" of any kind and should be freely recordable by any means. These flags are digital and work only on the firewire connection.

I do not believe there are any "programme flags" yet, due to the recent US ruling preventing same - ie programmes from the US would contain no "programme flags".

There should also be no "macrovision" or similar "preventive measures" on non-premium programming either on analogue outputs like RF-coas, composite, S-video or component video (which is limited to 480i on the input of any consumer recording devices that have that connection. These measures also don't usually say "you cannot record", they influence the final product with light variations, etc, so that it's not useful, but perhaps on a DVD recorder, the recorder senses macrovision and supplies the "message"

There was a thread a while ago discussing macrovision on Shaw, which was implemented by mistake. Here it is:

http://digitalhomecanada.com/forum/showthread.php?t=15567

Something is amiss here.

I'm in the Lower Mainland of BC, so around Vancouver. I record the HD channels AND analog channels via S-Video and they used to work fine, now nothing records, I tried pulling out the video and recording and it worked fine then I plugged in the s-video cable and i get the video signal error thing i talked about earlier.
You have the exact same problem I have with Shaw in Vancouver. See my post that I put up earlier tonight. My S-video connection worked fine for months recording all channels, analog, digital, HD. When shaw enabled VOD on the 6200 (one week ago?), all of my recording capability stopped. All shows, all channels say "copy of this material not allowed".

So it looks like they have implemented macrovision on analog outputs, and partial 5C=1 on some HD boxes
As above, seems to coincide with a phase of the VOD rollout - hopefully one of the impacts of VOD will not be an inability to make copies of programs we are allowed to legally copy for personal use
This will probably take manager level recognition to fix, I cant see a fix coming from the CSR group, unless we all start calling

FWIW, I can still record the analog signal from my 6412 to my pc over s-vid and composite. Maybe all these copying issues are just limited to the 6200, or is it the VOD?

Now it all makes sense. I am having the same problem recording on my MCE 2005 machine from S-VIDEO as well. Doesn't matter whether they are analog or digital channels - get the same error message - "Recording of this program has been prohibited by your content provider". Damn you Shaw!

:mad:

wow someone at shaw has done us a good turn and turned the 5C to =0 :)

i can now record 308-309-310 channels


thx who ever you are..

I just checked channels 307 - 310 on my DCT-6200. All are now 5C=0 except for 310 (CTV-HD), which is still 5C=1.

:confused:

actually yes you are correct 310 is still 5c=1 . i only checked 308 and 309 and then assumed 310 was ok too.

i am still happy as 310 isnt one of my favs anyways but 308-9 was.

I’m in Edmonton and last week my DVR stopped working as well , I have a Toshiba RD-X32SU. Every time I try recording something from my digital cable box I get a "message saying this content is copy protected , recording will now stop". Tech support was useless, he said the problem was with my DVR when its easy to see that a copy protection flag got flipped on, my DVR works perfectly from any other input but it wont touch anything coming out of my digital cable box.

One interesting thing , I have a feeling they did a firmware upgrade or something to the cable boxes last week. I woke up Wednesday morning with my cable box semi-dead. I could not get the channel guide to pop up no Mather how many times I pressed the button and it took about 20 seconds to change between channels, powering on and off did nothing. I had to pull the power cable out wait a couple minutes then plug it back in for it to work properly again.

i really want to know what the hell is going on , I hope its just some mistake someone made because if its not i'll start to consider other options, has anyone every used one of those macrovision signal stripper boxes you can put between a dvd player and recorder to enable you to copy a movie, i wonder if they would work in this case.

Cable box is DCT-6200/1000, 5c=0 on every channel i checked