: MB/SK - Winnipeg, Brandon, Regina, Saskatoon, Prairies - OTA


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RottieGirl
2012-07-30, 10:54 AM
Checked 27 and signal is very weak here too. Maybe transmitter issues. It will be gone in a few days anyway as CBC pulls the plug.
what do you mean cbc pulling the plug? Is the station shutting down totally?

Dr.Dave
2012-07-30, 01:18 PM
RottieGirl, CBC is shutting down it's analog transmitters across the country July 31 - not the digital transmitter in Winnipeg (real 27, virtual 6). See this thread:

http://www.digitalhome.ca/forum/showthread.php?p=1429532#post1429532

I would suggest you rescan - you could be picking up analog channels 4 or 29 from Lac du Bonnet or Piney.

Krydor, Global Winnipeg just started using the SD subchannel, previously they were only transmitting HD.

dirtroad
2012-07-30, 01:39 PM
Global was broadcasting in HD and SD back in January of 2011 when they went on the air, but there were some issues with 9.2 (40.2) SD, and the SD version disappeared. All issuses now seem to be corrected for me now.

Dr.Dave
2012-07-30, 01:53 PM
dirtroad, now that you mention it, it does ring a bell.

yohee
2012-07-30, 04:22 PM
CIIT-DT CKY-DT CHMI-DT And the 2 CBC channels will broadcast a SD :rolleyes::cool:digital channel

RottieGirl
2012-07-30, 05:43 PM
I rescanned again this morning. All got straigtened out. Only thing is, CBC english didn't come in at all now. The CBC French comes in beautifully.

Dr.Dave
2012-07-30, 06:39 PM
RottieGirl, I just checked again and I'm still getting a very strong signal for CBC English on channel 27. I get 10/10 signal strength for both CBC English and French and the signal noise ratio (SNR) is actually a little better for the English channel.

If you still don't get channel 27, there may be some local environmental factors out your way.

RottieGirl
2012-07-30, 07:59 PM
we checked with a compass & global, cbc english & french, & citytv are all coming from the same direction. Global comes in perfectly, as does the cbc french. CBC english, not so much. CityTV, somes in either in the early morning or later @ night when it cools down. We do believe that there's a 40' oak in the back yard, that could be doing something to the signal. If it's that, then why are the other channels fine? :confused:

sleepdirt
2012-07-30, 10:28 PM
I was up at Grand Beach last weekend. Expecting nothing, I attached a cheap indoor antenna I picked up from xs cargo(unamplified),got all the winnipeg uhf's no problem. Signal was 40%. No vhf except a fuzzy cbc channel 4 from Lac du Bonnet.

Dr.Dave
2012-07-30, 10:31 PM
@RottieGirl, CBC English & French are on the same tower on top of the Richardson Building; Global is on the Global (Shaw?) Building (also at Portage and Main), so they're all the same direction and distance from you.

I'm not an expert, but it could be a difference in the power of the transmitters, the way your antenna handles different frequencies, or maybe obstacles like the tree affect different frequencies.

Has CBC English always been a problem?

BTW CityTV is about 27 miles due west of Portage & Main.

RottieGirl
2012-07-30, 11:04 PM
yes, it's always been a problem. During winter, it does come in a bit.

Cham
2012-08-01, 12:23 PM
Sorry I got the channels mixed up. I get two analog UHF channels which were broadcasting this morning but I don't see them now as they often fade out during the day. I suspect the UHF analog CBC retransmitters will be off the air today sometime.

The CBC transmitters in downtown Winnipeg must use different antenna orientations, I rarely get the 3.1 French broadcast unless I point the Winegard right at it, the 6.1 always comes in and is much stronger. Doesn't seem to fit the contour map so must be a configuration thing. Using 720p I can't figure out why they didn't use one transmitter with the two E/F subchannels.

countrymanners
2012-08-03, 11:21 AM
I was wondering if now that CBC has shut down their analog towers, will we be able to receive ANY signal in our area (SE Manitoba) or will we be "TVless"? :(

P.S. I will miss Coronation Street...........:p

tvlurker
2012-08-03, 12:43 PM
With a decent antenna and a digital tuner or converter, you should be able to get the American channels from Rosseau.

With a very high gain VHF antenna on a tower, you might be able to get CTV digital on channel 7 from Winnipeg.

If you have high speed internet, you should be able to stream or download Corrie.

hockey_puck
2012-08-03, 09:37 PM
Was doing some research today and was wondering why KNRR doesn't increase their power from their Pembina area tower which is 1300 feet tall. With an increase from their ERP 4.44kw to around 20kw, it would make reception a lot easier with a proper outdoor antenna. At the same time it would be interesting to see if any of the other local N.D. stations would be interested in operating some high power subcarriers off the same tower to hit the southern MB market. I'd bet money that a lot of people would cut the costly cable if some more off air choices were available with a bit of effort.

doctorzero
2012-08-04, 11:25 AM
Winnipeg and southern Manitoba aren't really worth anything to the U.S. commercial broadcasters now that local TV advertising has ceased to be the money-maker it was when KNRR signed on in 1986.

It might be worth something to Prairie Public, though, as Winnipeg is still an important market for them. If they can push an acceptable signal as far north as the Shaw head-end in south Winnipeg, they don't have to worry about what happens if Shaw closes the intercity microwave link that brings Prairie Public and WDAZ up from Grand Forks.

KNRR licencee Red River Broadcasting is famous for being tight-fisted with money -- they didn't even have a web site until a couple of years ago allegedly because a manager didn't think it was worth the money, so any upgrades to improve reception in Winnipeg would have to show a financial benefit. (Right now, my guess is that they are keeping KNRR on air at the lowest possible cost for some tax/accounting reason, or because it's cheaper than dismantling the tower.)

yohee
2012-08-04, 01:10 PM
still can't get KNRR digitally in waverly heights

Cham
2012-08-05, 05:50 PM
I was wondering if now that CBC has shut down their analog towers, will we be able to receive ANY signal in our area (SE Manitoba) or will we be "TVless"? :(

P.S. I will miss Coronation Street...........:p
You might be able to pick up the Winnipeg stations with a tower and good antenna system depending on where you live. Otherwise Bell & Shaw are the only options. High speed internet in rural eastern Manitoba is <100kb/s or dial up. Satellite internet is ok but streaming video would likely cost as much as the basic (shaw/Bell package) over and above your standard internet package due to data overage. MTS doesn't supply internet (other than dial-up) for rural residents. Not many choices unless you live in one of the major communities.

Dr.Dave
2012-08-13, 09:48 AM
I'm curious if people in Winnipeg are getting completely stable signals with OTA. I was considering "cutting the cord", but I've just started using OTA on a regular basis and I'm getting occasional dropouts. There may be reasons for that (trees), but I wonder if my expectations are too high. I've got good strength (10/10) and SNR over 30 on most channels.

mcpish
2012-08-13, 04:29 PM
I get stable signals. I already subscribe to Cable, but I didn't want to spend the extra money on another HDTV cable box from Shaw for a bedroom HDTV that I only use occasionally at night. So I got myself an RCA ANT751 antenna & pre-amp and it works great with the TV's built-in ATSC tuner. I live in the Garden City area and get CBC, CBC-French, CHMI, JoyTV, and CTV on the bedroom TV.

I also have the antenna split off to go to a ATSC pci capture card on my PC for recording the OTA signals, works good too.