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Here are the TV fool results. The KNRR digital signal is supposed to be stronger than some of the Winnipeg analogs channels I am picking up.

Its a Sanyo DP26648.

Are you sure you're scanning in 'Air(Antenna)' search mode (ATSC), and not in Cable Search (QAM) mode? See page 12 of the Sanyo TV manual (http://www.sanyotv.com/DP26_32648%20Owners%20Manual.pdf).

Were you able to get KNRR-DT when it was on ch 15?

Channels 3, 6, 7, 9, 13, 50 and 59.
What are the channel 50 and 59 stations? Cable mode aliasing of UHF channels doesn't start until ch. 65, so that couldn't explain it. I don't see any 50 or 59 in southern Manitoba.

Channel 50 is CBC and 59 is CTV, both out of Winnipeg, not sure where they are coming from. I do not remember getting KNNR on Channel 15, but then again I didn't try as I was getting the analog signal fine on 12.

Were people in Winnipeg able to get KNNR on 15?

No. nobody here received 15 on UHF.

Frankly I'm flummoxed as to why you aren't receiving it. You've tried on two digital capable TV's you say, which would assume a problem with the antenna connection or amp, but you're receiving the analog channels fine, which would make us think that its something to do with your TV setup. That you aren't scanning correctly or something. I think you used to receive ABC as well, and now you don't.

Have you tried resetting your TV to factory default or something? You really should be able to receive at least KNRR from your location.

Yeah, I am flummoxed as well. I did receive ABC from Grand Forks on Channel 8 prior to the digital switch over (although with a lot of snow), but that when dark months ago. It seems like I am just not getting digital signals, but should be. Is there anything in the set up that might interfere with digital signals? Ground block, etc? Then again I have seen HD signals come through with twin lead cable!

Not sure where to put this, but I heard on Global Saskatoon tonight that on Monday, Nov 30 they will be going HD. This is the first I've heard of this. Will be interesting to finally have an OTA HD station available.

The Industry Canada database (http://www.user.dccnet.com/jonleblanc/Canada_TV_Stations/) shows no authorized digital OTA stations in Saskatoon. Are you sure they meant OTA, or only just via cable and satellite?

Just got more news on Global Saskatoon, it turns out that they mis-spoke on the news cast. Global Saskatoon will be launching a digital signal/channel on Monday, but not HD yet.

But over cable/satellite and not OTA, right?

More of an update. No new channel over the air yet or on cable/satellite. They are only getting new equipment to make them HD ready and will be just missing a few links to go HD, so possibly in the next few months or sometime next year they might go HD. Too bad, I was looking forward to finally seeing uncompressed HD signals instead of Bell.

The signal from KNRR seems to be gone for me here in Winnipeg. This has been for an unusually extended time (at least a day).

Before the recent outage I was seeing a watchable signal most of the time with my new preamp and the antenna in the picture I posted a while ago. The bad times would last 10-30 minutes. All and all sort of the same as the previous analog signal (which was also on reduced power from a technical issue).

TVfool.com shows me with a noise margin (NM) of 6.1dB at my location. Antenna height is about 25 feet. The surroundings are dense residential with a fair number of (now) leafless trees. My guess at the antenna gain would be somewhere around 9dB.

The antenna in the picture I posted *does* have weird element spacing (roger1818 noticed this). It is harder to see in the picture but there is another "missing" element near the mast. Someone gave me the antenna so I have no real idea why it is like this. All I know is that the mechanical quality is very good. I suspect that this antenna was originally used in some commercial application and the strange design reflects some detail of that environment. Makes for a long antenna.

So... Has anyone else seen this signal in southern Manitoba? The comments from JAS12 and the recent blackout have made me wonder if my reception of it was some sort of fluke...

Yeah, still getting zilch down here by the border for KNRR on channel 12. :(

Uh, actually it is back here in Winnipeg. It was gone a couple of days, came back for half an hour, went away again, and now is back. Since I could see the local analog signals I am assuming that the problem was at the transmitter end.

I know this actually doesn't help at this point...

Bruce

CKND-DT Global Winnipeg is in the process of building out their new transmitter site and will come up in digital OTA as soon as the CRTC and IC approve it, which hopefully will be early in the new year. They will apparently be doing what is called a flash-cut, in which at a certain specified date and time the old analogue VHF Channel 9 will shut down and the new digital VHF Channel 9 will immediately take its place. I'll try to get further info on whether that is indeed the plan, but my sources tell me that CKND wants to go immediately to their post-transitional allotment rather than overlap with a transitional phase.

From the Industry Canada database, here is their post-transitional info:MB Winnipeg AL 9 CKND-PT 494615 973037 276.5 12300 186.00

And Global doesn't even have the Superbowl this year. So Shaw can continue to give us the HD feed with the commercials we want.

Way to go, Global!

Anyone with an antenna is probably sick of not getting the digital signal by now anyways. Hopefully this spurs the rest to get their act together.

Time for Winnipegers to ask the other local TV stations if/when they will make the switch too. If all the stations come up in their post-transitional allotments the channel layout will look like this:

CKY (CTV) 7
CKND (Global) 9
CBWT (CBC) 27
CBWFT (SRC) 51
CIIT (IND) 35

So definitely an antenna capable of both VHF-HI and UHF will be necessary.

Presumably we should get CHMI (CITY) 32 from Portage la Prairie as well...

So CKND is going to be digital only to start, and not HD? No word on them wanting to go to HD?

The programming on Canadian digital OTA television is generally a mix of HD and SD sources. I suspect CKND will be the same -- the station will show HD shows when available, otherwise it's upconverted SD.
For example, it's very likely your local news will be in 4:3 SD (upconverted), while something like House will be shown in 16:9 HD.

Good, as long as it's not SD only.