: Toshiba 46HMX85, 52HMX85, 62HMX85 in FS
2005-10-16, 05:11 AM
No 1080p in via HDMI on 195 series.
MX195 series has PC input. Debate still raging whether it will accept 1080p via PC input.
If 1080p input is really important to you... wait a year.
Talked to a Toshiba rep in the know -- the TV IS 1080P capable but the problem he explained is that there are not any 1080P sources out there, and unless people adhere to the standard for 1080p (which hasn't been written in stone yet) there is a possibility that a 1080P device may not interface properly with the TV.
However, the TV is capable of receiving a signal at 1080P at 60 fps (Progressively) although it is rumoured that HD DVD will do 1080i (or 1080p at 24fps) as will Blue Ray...
2005-10-18, 10:23 PM
I went into Future SHop tonight to purchase the Star Choice receiver and took a fast look through their tvs .. I could find the 52HM85 but not the
52HMX85. It also says it's not available on their website. Are they no longer selling the model?
I bought a 44" Toshiba for 1799.00 at Best Buy 2 weeks ago but I am finding it kinda small so I was interested in looking at the two Toshiba DLPs and comparing them. I didn't have time to talk to a salesperson as we had to rush.
2005-10-19, 03:40 PM
I recently purchased a 46HMX85 and am generally quite happy with the set.
I have noticed, however, that dark scenes (not black) appear to be quite grainy. This doen't seem to be image noise in the source material, as even if I freeze the image, the noise will "swirl" on the screen. The noise or grain is actually made up of tiny moving light-coloured dots showing up against dark tone regions of solid colour - almost like analog snow. Interestingly, really dark scenes (ie near black) appear noise free. I notice this noise on all source material (digital cable, DVD, etc.). If a scene is mostly bright, but has some areas of dark tones, only these dark tones will exhibit the noise/grain/snow. Has anyone else noticed this problem? Are there any ways to minimize the graininess?
Any thoughts would be appreciated,
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2005-10-19, 04:14 PM
How are you finding the PQ on SD material from Digital Satellite and DVD's?
2005-10-19, 04:50 PM
I don't have digital satellite-I do use Rogers digital cable, though. I find the picture quality of SD to be pretty good overall. Some channels are much better than others. Many SD digital channels have strange artifacts around stationary objects like text or graphics. I'm pretty sure that MPEG compression is a big factor in this regard. SD programs on the HD channels look very good (much less compression I think). I think the TV is capable of a very good SD image provided that the source is good. I find that most DVDs look great. Some have looked spectacular, and a few have looked pretty bad (probably poorly authored). Again, I think the TV is capable of presenting a very good picture provided that the source is good.
My only major PQ gripe is this noise/grain/snow on medium dark areas of a scene. I find it very evident, but my wife doesn't seem to notice it at all, so maybe I am being too critical. It does seem a bit strange though...
2005-10-19, 05:06 PM
I spilt my cable and let the tv's tuner handle the non-digital channels and you will be amazed at the difference in PQ.
2005-10-19, 06:00 PM
Mark, I have the 46HMX85 and have seen the dancing dots as well. I didn't see them at all for the first week but was watching a dark movie the other day and it looked grainy, so I paused the movie, and when I got real close to the TV I could see the dancing dots.
Anyway, I got to playing around with the THX optimizer inlcuded on the Star Wars Episode II DVD and ended up with these settings, they're not perfect yet but are a vast improvement over what I was seeing before:
2005-10-19, 06:42 PM
Thanks for the tip, jmarkle.
I'll give these settings a try tonight. I know that one of the DVDs in my collection also has a THX optimizer. I'll experiment with that a bit too.
2005-10-19, 06:58 PM
daz-man. Thanks for the tip about splitting the cable and using the TV's tuner for the non-digital channels. I think I might prefer an analog signal on some shows.
2005-10-19, 07:05 PM
MarkBeck, I was amazed at the difference it made. Even the wife noticed and normally she will always say "looks fine to me."
Thank you MarkBeck and daz-man. I have read this entire forum and not until this page have I come across someone describing the picture quality just as I have. I had the 46HMX85 last week, while waiting for my 52HMX85. Well, the 52 came in Monday.
After watching Batman Begins with all its dark scenes, I really noticed the snowy, color spotting even when paused. My wife stated she only noticed it since I pointed it out to her, but she is not bothered by it. Unfortunately, I am.
My neighbor has the 52HM85 that is almost unrecognizable for this visual impediment. But, her picture has no where near the detail, especially in dark scenes. So, I guess the color spotting will have to be tolerated. Hopefully, I will get used to it.
And thanks to jmarkle. I will use those numbers you gave in an attempt to improve the picture.
Maybe and ISF Technician will be in order to save me. Everything else about the 52HMX85 is, in a word, FANTASTIC!
2005-10-21, 11:02 AM
Hi.. new to the forum.. have been lurking around here for a little while now. I find this forum to be very mature and glad that there's quite a few knowledgeable members that are actually in Canada.
I've been a member of the Hometheaterspot.com for a while now and find that there are a lot of very mature and knowledgeable people there also, unfortunately they are 95% from the US and that doesn't help me always to find great deals and compare Canadian vs. US model (ie. Toshiba 52HMX85 vs. 52HMX95 respectively).
I'm sure I will be posting here frequently now as my wife and I are planning to purchase a Toshiba 52HMX85 by end of this year. Have to save up for this as we moved into our house about 6 months ago (in Ajax) and have a 5 month old baby to care for.
I have a bit of experience with the previous model DLP sets from Toshiba, the Toshiba 44NMH84 (father-in-laws) and the 52HMX84 (friends). Both are excellent TV's with the latter being a nicer TV. The LG designed 44NMH84 isn't bad either watching HD (via Rogers 3250 w/component) or DVD (via component). The pictures are crisp and detailed. I have yet to really auditiion the 52HMX85, so any information from the current owners of this set would be greatly appreciated.
I understand that the HD4 chip actually gives the picture a more lifelike realistic view as opposed to the previous HD2+ chip. I can't complain with the HD2+ chip so if the HD4 is 'supposed' to be better then I'm cool with that.
Either way, sorry to make a long post.. I'll try to keep it brief from now on.
Btw, equipment listed in sig... including..
Main Media Room
JVC AV-32F475 32" CRT, Pioneer VSX-1014TX-K, Pioneer DVD-C505, Athena AS-F1 x 2, Athena AS-C1, Infinity Primus 250 x 2, Velodyne DPS-10B sub, Monster cables/terminators, Monster HTS1000 MKII v2.0, Kameleon 8-in-1.
Don't have enough room for the below equipment... not sure why sigs are restricted like that... but oh well.
Secondary Media Room
Toshiba 20" TV/DVD, Pioneer VSX-D711, JBL Studio S26II x 2, Paradigm Cinema CC v2, KLH HD-53B x 2, KLH 10" sub, Sony PS2, Monster XP cables.
Connected to PC w/SB Live 5.1 for Audio
2005-10-23, 10:45 PM
First of all. This is an interesting forum, and I am glad to see the info being shared.
I just talked to a store in Richmond Hill (Ontario) this evening. The salesperson offers a fairly good price on the 52HM85 (single HDMI, silver and less control buttons on the remote) for $2700 (TV+original Toshiba stand+15%taxes+delivery). This compares to FS new standard price of $2799 for the TV. Before taxes, that would the TV+stand to be about $2350, not a bad price. I think that I probably can get a deal from him on the 52HMX85 for $2900.
I normally watch regular cable TV and DVD movies. I hope the 52HMX85 will be okay for regualr cable TV. May go for digital cable or satellite later.
None of the high definition televisions are all that great when you are watching Standard Definition (SD) television, which is what I'm assuming you mean when you say regular cable. SD channels are the 480i channels. I purchased a 52HMX85 with stand included (all black) for $2999. I love the TV, but some of the SD shows are pitiful to watch on it. Sometimes I will watch the SD shows on my TV in my bedroom instead because they are clearer on the old TV. Thankfully, most of the TV shows I watch are filmed in HD, so it is not a problem for me. It's rare that I watch a SD TV show, it is usually only just the news.
Hi everyone, We just received this letter from Toshiba and thought we would share it with the rest of you. The only thing is, we looked at Leon's new shipment of 46HMX85 in the box's to see if the mistake had been corrected and they only put a blank brown sticker over where it says HD2+ chip. We went and looked before we got this letter. So we know they didn't correct it the way they said here in Edmonton. Anybody else notice it on the boxs?
INCORRECT CARTON LABELS
Please be informed that the original production of Toshiba DLP rear projection televisions were packaged in cartons that were incorrectly silk screened. The cartons indicate the uses of the Texas Instruments HD2+ DLP DMD. The production of this chip has been discontinued. The information should have read HD4 DLP DMD.
Products that had already been packaged and were in inventory at the factory were re-labeled with a sticker indicating the correction. Unfortunately, a number of products with the incorrect information were shipped to dealers and subsequently sold to consumers. Toshiba of Canada Limited regrets this error and the confusion that it may have caused.
Senior Director of Marketing, Television
Toshiba of Canada Limited
WE still have not got our 46HDX85 out of the box. We are still waiting for our entertainment unit to come in. Hope it comes soon. It sure is hard seeing that T.V. in a box and not be able to use it. At the same time we are nervous that we will have lots of trouble setting it all up. Previous posts here will sure to come in handy.
I purchased my 52hmx85 just a couple of months ago and it was a piece of cake setting it up. The TV does have more options to switch depending on whether you are watching HD or SD, but after a week it becomes second nature making the switches between the two formats. I really love my TV. I was going to get a 46" but my dealer told me that only the 52" and 62" sets came with the HD4 chip. This information was given to the dealer by Toshiba themselves. What a pile of confusion. In any case, I'm glad that they have installed the HD4 chip into the TV. I know for sure mine is HD4. The HD2+ chip shows the rainbows quite heavily compared to these new models containing the HD4 chip. The delivered a 2004 model to my home by mistake and for 3 or 4 days I had that TV to watch. I really noticed the rainbows. With the newer models, not only did they use the HD4 chip, but they have increased the r.p.m.'s of the color wheel which also helps reduce the appearance of the rainbow. I'm sure you will enjoy your TV. Best of luck!
2005-10-24, 02:49 AM
How do you know how many hours you have on your lamp??? I can't find the info in my manual????:(