Adding a 9200 will have no impact on your other receivers. All receivers will have the same programming and in addition the 9200 will give you the capability to add the HDTV networks.

Sorry for my confusion on the subject, but the way the BEV reps explained it to me with Discovery for example the SD and HDTV feeds are on different channel numbers, but when you activate the HDTV Networks on your account, they use the same channel numbers and it somehow changes the feed so that only HDTV receivers on your account can display them meaning the 9220 could, but the 3120 couldn't.
Please tell me that's not the case. Thanks again! Blisstick

WojtekZ:

Very good pics and nicely organized...if I didn't have a 9200 it would surely help in my decision process.

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they use the same channel numbers and it somehow changes the feed so that only HDTV receivers can display them meaning the 9220 could, but the 3120 couldn't. Please tell me that's not the case.

That's not the case. Totally different channel numbers assigned to each: one for the SD and one for the HD. Only the 9200 will "see" the HD ones in the 800's. Your other receivers will not even display the HD channels but will continue to get the usual SD programming (eg - Discovery on channel on 520).

In addition, though, what you will see on your non-HD receivers are the SD networks (ABC, CBS, NBC, etc) added in the 280's if you didn't subscribe to them before and are on the grandfathered pricing plan. If you sign up for the HD package they give you both the HD and SD versions of the networks... so the SD versions will show up on all of your non-HD receivers. So that's a bit of a bonus if you didn't have these previously...

WojtekZ:

Very good pics and nicely organized...if I didn't have a 9200 it would surely help in my decision process.

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The software is always a big deciding factor for me, thats why I took the pics. Thanks for the Kudos. The 6000 compared to this one is a piece of crud.

That's not the case. Totally different channel numbers assigned to each: one for the SD and one for the HD. Only the 9200 will "see" the HD ones in the 800's. Your other receivers will not even display the HD channels but will continue to get the usual SD programming (eg - Discovery on channel on 520).

In addition, though, what you will see on your non-HD receivers are the SD networks (ABC, CBS, NBC, etc) added in the 280's if you didn't subscribe to them before and are on the grandfathered pricing plan. If you sign up for the HD package they give you both the HD and SD versions of the networks... so the SD versions will show up on all of your non-HD receivers. So that's a bit of a bonus if you didn't have these previously...

Excellent! I did find out we're on the grandfathered plan last night, so that would explain why I didn't see them to figure that out for myself. Either the reps didn't know what they were talking about, or I had trouble deciphering their broken English.
What a great forum! Thanks so much for your help guys!

For those that would like to see the menus on the 9200, I've taken some pics.
Excuse the flash in the screen, not much I could do about it :(

http://gallery.wojtek.ca/gallery2/main.php?g2_view=core:ShowItem&g2_itemId=908

WojtekZ, is that a 6x9 Samsung DLP? Your shot is showing a lot more of the overscan area than my Sony. I don't have the problem that a lot of people are having with the bottom line of the guide being cut in half, but I am missing the top line/boarder of the info banner. In your picture here you can clearly see the top boarder (and even some space above it):

http://gallery.wojtek.ca/gallery2/main.php?g2_view=core:ShowItem&g2_itemId=1004&g2_GALLERYSID=88c5c25a38990168da8a22a32ff66034

Did you have your overscan adjusted or did it work that way out of the box?

I as well dont Have the guide cut off when I have it in 720p 16x9 on extended guide display on my 50" samsung dlp. I also have the tv in Expand Mode that has very little overscan.

Depends what modes your TV can display?
9200 offers 480i, 480p, 720p, 1080i

I have tried the 9200 to Sony XBR 4x3 at 480p. In general an HD channel shows crisper, brighter an clearer than it's SD counterpart. Also at 480p on a 4x3 set the zoom works for HD broadcast so you can zoom a 4x3 shape HD image to fill your screen... again looks better than same SD channel.

Grider, can you make this change from your remote so as to toggle between 1080I and 480P depending on the HD program? With my digital cable box I have to manually change the setting on the box and that's a pain. Thanks in advance for your reply or anyone else using a 4:3 HDTV with the 9220.

I tweaked my TV and now I can see the full bottom line of the guide and all of the information at the top!

Grider, can you make this change from your remote so as to toggle between 1080I and 480P depending on the HD program? With my digital cable box I have to manually change the setting on the box and that's a pain. Thanks in advance for your reply or anyone else using a 4:3 HDTV with the 9220.

Well sort of... yes you can switch between 480p/1080i using only the remote, but you have to do this through the PVR setup menu's. i.e. several keystrokes. Unfortunately there is no 480p/1080i toggle button on the remote.

Elsewhere in this thread people have reported success with Harmony/Logitech remotes. It would be easy to program a macro to do the toggle.

Great! Got one of them too. Now all I need to do is wait for the kitchen reno project to finish and wifey should allow me to go ahead with satellite. Thanks for your reply!

I currently have the 6100 Receiver, and I was very happy when I heard the news that Bell was coming out with an HD PVR system, but the more I read about it, I'm more inclined to wait for a new model, or go a different route. For me, the point of having an HD PVR was being able to archive some of the HD programs that I recorded, but that seems almost impossibe with this unit.
What are some of the the owners here planning to do with the HD programs that they have saved on the hard-drive?

What is the point of recording HD content if you can't save it to a DVD-R or a computer? It's like having a digital camera with a small flash card that you can't upload to a computer, or even make prints with?
If the unit had an S-Video out, I could see myself buying it, but with only HDMI and Component outs, how do you archive programs? Very few DVD recorders have Component inputs, and I'm not aware of any that have DVI/HDMI inputs. That basically means that any HD material you happen to save will have to transferred via composite outs to ins, which kind of defeats the whole purpose.

So , since this is a question and answer thread, I guess I'm asking if anyone has a solution to this problem. I do know that there is a USB port on the receiver, but that it's currently not enabled, but even if it were, it would still not be an easy task transferring material that way.

I currently have the 6100 Receiver, and I was very happy when I heard the news that Bell was coming out with an HD PVR system, but the more I read about it, I'm more inclined to wait for a new model, or go a different route. For me, the point of having an HD PVR was being able to archive some of the HD programs that I recorded, but that seems almost impossibe with this unit.
What are some of the the owners here planning to do with the HD programs that they have saved on the hard-drive?

What is the point of recording HD content if you can't save it to a DVD-R or a computer? It's like having a digital camera with a small flash card that you can't upload to a computer, or even make prints with?
If the unit had an S-Video out, I could see myself buying it, but with only HDMI and Component outs, how do you archive programs? Very few DVD recorders have Component inputs, and I'm not aware of any that have DVI/HDMI inputs. That basically means that any HD material you happen to save will have to transferred via composite outs to ins, which kind of defeats the whole purpose.

So , since this is a question and answer thread, I guess I'm asking if anyone has a solution to this problem. I do know that there is a USB port on the receiver, but that it's currently not enabled, but even if it were, it would still not be an easy task transferring material that way.


Record it on a DVD-R or DVD-RAM dude.

Did you have your overscan adjusted or did it work that way out of the box?

This is out of the box operation [Samsung HLN467]. I have set the aspect ratio and res to 16x9 and 720P [its possible that those that do not set the aspect ratio and res properly get the misaligned menus]. I did have to make adjustments in my 6000 to get it to fit properly.

When you say overscan, I think you're misusing the term. What you see is the lack of overscan [fuzzy lines and or cut off picture at the edges]/

Record it on a DVD-R or DVD-RAM dude.

How can this be done?

How can this be done?

A few ways but the easiest is missing the S-video output on the receiver.

You can buy a recorder with component inputs

You may have a A/Vreceiver which will downconvert the signal to S-video

You can probably buy some type of separate componets to s-video switch.

A few ways but the easiest is missing the S-video output on the receiver.

You can buy a recorder with component inputs

You may have a A/Vreceiver which will downconvert the signal to S-video

You can probably buy some type of separate componets to s-video switch.
Any more details about the USB? If as rumoured in the US, this will be for an external 400 GB drive, the problem may be short lived.

The omission of the S-Video or indeed HD for the outputs from tuner #2 seems like a strange implimentation? These would have seemed to be naturals for such a new product!

Al

Any more details about the USB? If as rumoured in the US, this will be for an external 400 GB drive, the problem may be short lived.


Which problem would be short lived if they do come out with a external USB drive?

I looked around but couldn't find this asked yet - excuse me if I missed it in one of the threads.

I was looking to get a 5200, but right now the 9200 is cheaper and better. However, I only have older TVs (thinking of getting HD later). I saw that the TV2 from the 9200 goes coax to non HD TVs, however what about TV1. That is, will this work as well as the 5200 for someone with older TVs?

That way, it would be cheaper for me to get a better receiver and I would be ready if/when I go HD. (I also get the extra equip that comes with it). Just don't want to find out after trying to install that it doesn't work well with my TVs.

Thanks.

If any of your TV's have Component Video input then I would go with the 9200.

If not. You are going to have a hard time using TV1. The 5200 would work better in this instance as it has S-video and Composite Video jacks for TV1.