: OTA DXing, Tropo, Odd Reception, Weird Weather: 2009 & Previous
CenturyBreak 2005-06-27, 12:27 PM Sorry... no screen pics. ;)
21-1 WTTI-DT from Watertown, NY, apparently should be remapping to 50-1 but ain't... not that I care!
35-x WWNY-DT from Carthage, NY, remapped to 7-1 and 7-1: confused my Samsung to no end, bouncing WKBW-DT from 7-1... yup, WKBW-DT is back today...
The WWNY reception was fleeting, but WTTI is hanging around.
Some fun, huh Bambi? :D
buritto 2005-06-27, 01:05 PM There's also 38 which is a home shopping channel, plus what you can get from Toledo.
stampeder 2005-06-27, 02:37 PM Let us know your location (with province) as precisely as possible, and then the DXed date/time/channel(s) and the other info you want to give.
Technical discussions of DXing (such as Troposhperic Skip phenomenon) go in the other DXing thread:
http://www.digitalhomecanada.com/forum/showthread.php?t=25802
cheers,
stampeder
thenewdc 2005-06-27, 10:04 PM You want to know the best spot to get reception. Its 35000 feet up. Yup. I tried this while i was on a flight with a small LCD Pocket Tv.. I was picking up UHF channels (analog) from hundreds of miles away, and almost every UHF channel from 14-69 had something on it. I was simultaneously getting stuff from Philly, New York City, Syracuse, Rochester, Buffalo, Erie PA, Cleveland, Elmira NY, Harrisburg PA and others and they were all quite clear. I couldnt get anything at all in the VHF spectrum at that height, just UHF.
HDTV101 2005-06-27, 11:01 PM You want to know the best spot to get reception. Its 35000 feet up. Yup. I tried this while i was on a flight with a small LCD Pocket Tv.. I was picking up UHF channels (analog) from hundreds of miles away, and almost every UHF channel from 14-69 had something on it. I was simultaneously getting stuff from Philly, New York City, Syracuse, Rochester, Buffalo, Erie PA, Cleveland, Elmira NY, Harrisburg PA and others and they were all quite clear. I couldnt get anything at all in the VHF spectrum at that height, just UHF.
The use of any VHF or UHF equipment onboard an Aircraft is strictly forbidden by the FAA for a very good reason.
Air Traffic Control uses the VHF band from 108MHz to 136MHz.
The Instrument Landing System (ILS) transmits between 108.10 MHz and 111.95 MHz).
ILS provides the lateral and vertical guidance necessary to fly a precision approach for landing.
So you think this TV is just a receiver and can’t cause any harm to the communications and ILS system?
WRONG!
There is a Local Oscillator in every receiver that’s variable in frequency and low cost consumer electronic doesn’t provide enough shielding to prevent these LO's from leaking. While you were enjoying your shows the LO or a harmonic or even an image frequency could have been sitting right on top of the ILS beacons causing the crew to get a false reading. This type of interference has been well documented. FM radios are the worst offenders since the FM band is directly below the VHF Avionics band.
foxfan 2005-06-27, 11:36 PM So. UHF operates in the 400-700Mhz range. No interference there...
Besides, look at all the airwaves the aircraft flies through. The instrumentation makers must have taken all that into consideration.
HDTV101 2005-06-28, 12:51 AM UHF is used as well..... ;)
The glide slope provides vertical guidance to the pilot during the approach. The ILS glide slope is produced by a ground-based UHF radio transmitter and antenna system, operating at a range of 329.30 MHz to 335.00 MHz, with a 50 kHz spacing between each channel. The transmitter is located 750 to 1,250 feet (ft) down the runway from the threshold, offset 400 to 600 ft from the runway centerline. Monitored to a tolerance of ± 1/2 degree, the UHF glide path is "paired" with (and usually automatically tuned by selecting) a corresponding VHF localizer frequency. The glide slope signal is received by a UHF receiver in the aircraft. In modern avionics installations, the controls for this radio are integrated with the VOR controls so that the proper glide slope frequency is tuned automatically when the localizer frequency is selected.
HDTV101 2005-06-28, 01:17 AM So. UHF operates in the 400-700Mhz range. No interference there...
Besides, look at all the airwaves the aircraft flies through. The instrumentation makers must have taken all that into consideration.
The ILS is programmed to use specific frequencies that nothing else is allowed to transmit on.. A leaky Local Oscillator in a TV or FM radio is too low in power to pose a threat unless it's close to the ILS receiving antenna mounted just under the aircraft that you’re sitting inside.
Federal Aviation Administration Regulations
14 CFR 91.21 - Portable Electronic Devices
http://www.fordyce.org/scanning/scanning_info/scan_fly.html
querty-m4n 2005-06-28, 03:55 AM Here in Southern Alberta, I'm still finding it difficult to do proper DX'ing from my apartment. I miss those days of listening to distant radio stations. Oh well, I guess I'll have to budget for a Grundig :D
yipikyer 2005-08-18, 01:28 PM What is the Summertime Warm weather effect? In Montreal, i'm loosing PBS around 5 pm and get it back around 7pm? Is it related?
I have not tested it during winter time.
rob50312 2006-04-02, 10:20 PM Receiving all Rochester digitals tonight 16,28,45,58,59[actual channels]Wb49-dt been coming in fairly reliable for the last week.Watched Desperate housewifes on 59 in hd WHAM
stampeder 2006-04-07, 03:35 PM I've copied the following from Gord Lansdell's Northwest Broadcasters web site:An advance copy of the April 2006 edition of Clay's Corner, prepared for the Seattle Chapter of the Newsletter The Waveguide is offered here as a courtesy to our readers.
If you are a Ham, or AM Broadcast Band DX’er, you understand that we are now in a sunspot minima as those bands are hopping. On higher frequencies ground-wave is about all that’s going on. But watch out for the next sunspot cycle. Those who predict those things are promising us that the next maximum is going to be 30-50% stronger than the last one….perhaps strong enough to cause some major problems with our communications systems. The peak of Cycle 24 is expected to begin in late '07 or early '08 with the peak in 2012 –Set your timer.Anyone want to comment on whether sunspot events have created good TV DXing for them? The frequencies are pretty far away from the AM Broadcast Band so I'm just wondering if you've found that VHF and UHF bands are affected?
old sparks 2006-04-07, 09:31 PM The sunspot cycle has it's effect primarily on the F2 layer, which even during the best years may only affect signals up to the low VHF band. The indicator to watch is the MUF (maximum useable frequency). Good web page showing the MUF at:
http://www.spacew.com/www/realtime.php
Most DXing on UHF is either tropo ducting, or if your antenna is big enough,
troposcattering.
Conversely, DXing on the AM radio bands is supposed to better during sunspot
minimums. Less 'D' layer absorption, or so I've read.
Russ
foxfan 2006-04-08, 08:40 PM I remember when we had the sunspot situation last June. From Montreal, I was able to pick up low-VHF (channels 2-4) from as far as Pierre, South Dakota (KPRY-TV 4).
Yaamon 2006-04-09, 01:11 PM Maybe stampeder can create a directory for dx stations and photos.
I was bored and moved my antenna to 130' and all Rochester came in strong on a Dish 811 rec. Did they increase power?
Hmmm where else can I try ? Too bad Rochester does not have a WB.
Sorry for the glare on the screen had the windows open.
http://pic5.picturetrail.com/VOL83/536944/4741575/138310338.jpg
http://pic5.picturetrail.com/VOL83/536944/4741575/138310359.jpg
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stampeder 2006-04-09, 02:10 PM Maybe stampeder can create a directory for dx stations and photos.I think for people who don't have their own websites maybe you could post your DX pictures to a photo site like www.picturetrail.com or www.flickr.com and then post the img links in this forum.
Yaamon 2006-04-09, 02:24 PM I went down to the basement and tried scanning on the Samsung 451 got Syracuse.
http://pic5.picturetrail.com/VOL83/536944/4741575/138329843.jpg
http://pic5.picturetrail.com/VOL83/536944/4741575/138329832.jpg
alebowgm 2006-04-09, 07:42 PM I doubt you will see results, as I believe they are broadcasting directionally, but take a swing all the way to the south east and try to see if you can get either Erie, PA or maybe even Detroit, MI... With the water, you may have a shot...
HDTV101 2006-04-10, 12:56 AM Yes looks like the funs about to begin again!
http://home.cogeco.ca/%7Edxinfo/tropo.html
alebowgm 2006-04-10, 01:38 AM Wow, great page, adding that to my bookmarks...
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