Tonight from Kingston I am picking up the "Big 3" networks from Rochester using my indoor antenna:

WHAM 13-1 (59) ABC
WHAM-CW 13-2 CW SD
WROC 8-1 (45) CBS
WHEC 10-1 (58) NBC
WHEC 10-2 Weather Channel

No more signs of Buffalo since the other night on Digital but I am seeing 49 and 51 on Analog.

I also lost 16-1 (WPBS) the other day, which is odd as it was the strongest signal for me out of Watertown. Just wondering if anyone up in Ottawa area is still seeing WPBS-DT on channel 41. I lost it completly here in Kingston, and I am just trying to figure out if it is my setup that is the problem or the channel itself is down for some reason.

Thanks

Regarding the weather -- would weather disturbances or convection currents on the lake affect certain Buffalo channels and not others? I just found it weird that I lose certain channels completely but others broadcasting from the same area keep coming in fine.

Like I was saying I may be wrong. However The weather does seem to affect it for me. You are corect though they all come from a pretty much the same direction. (Buffalo) Maybe the stonger signals kill the weaker ones along the way? I dont know. I just want a 15 foot pole and add it to the 6 feet already on the chiminey then point my antenna and watch the neighbors stare in ahhh at my Free HD.:) Or maybe just how odd this tiny antenna on a long pole looks. I just happy when I actually want to watch a program the channel is there. When Im channel surfing its hit and miss.

Many times in this thread and others, we've discussed how some buffalo stations come and go. Weather is the main reason and you may not see it.
Clear hot days there may be mist rising from the lake. That can wipe out a signal completely. The sun goes down every evening, thats when i lose reception. Change in temperature combined with lake effect.
The other thing that affects signals is Tropo. Good days for picking up distant stations are bad days for local reception because you get more interference.
A LOT of this will get better when the US shuts down analog. Then even better when, finally, Canada shuts off analog. Can't wait? Double, triple or quad your antenna to pick up more signal. After all, buffalo is 40, 60, even 80 miles away for most of us. In normal locations, that is considered "Deepest Fringe" reception, requiring extreme measures. We don't realize how lucky we are to get as good a signal as we do.

We don't realize how lucky we are to get as good a signal as we do.Amen to that! I'm constantly amazed at the carrying distance of Buffalo stations into Canada year round over Lk. Ontario, when tropo activity isn't shown to be a factor on those days that people report in.

After all, buffalo is 40, 60, even 80 miles away for most of us. In normal locations, that is considered "Deepest Fringe" reception, requiring extreme measures. We don't realize how lucky we are to get as good a signal as we do.

I just did a quick distance check for myself, 150 miles to Buffalo. I was shocked to even see an analog picture nevermind a digital signal on my indoor antenna (its a 1501880 for those keeping score). Never in my wildest dreams did I think I would see Buffalo from Kingston.

Yes we do take for granted the reception from Buffalo. Just glad that we here in the gta are able to receive the Buffalo stations so well.

Tom I have the same tv in my office and find that the Sanyo tuner is not that wonderful. When you have reception problems does the bell receiver pull in the ota better.

When I had the LG 4200a, Samsung T451, and the newer 260 in my office it is able to pull in Pbs while the Sanyo tv will not.

My current location Iam in a dip the lowest part of Steelcase, I can’t even see the tip of the cn tower from my location.

A customer came to my office and with his gps said I was a good 40m lower than the highest point at the corner of Steelcase Rd.

The Buffalo south towers are on such high ground ,giving them a higher elevation above sea level then the CN tower.We have a Sanyo tv with the digital tuner and I would say it does not like multipath signals but is just as sensitive.

Double, triple or quad your antenna to pick up more signal.

In another thread (http://www.digitalhome.ca/forum/showpost.php?p=556624&postcount=451) Yaamon had suggested that a 8-bay wouldn't generally help my Buffalo reception (details in that thread). But would moving from my 4221 to a 4228 help mitigate weather-related reception problems?

Timmy, I've said before that i compared the 8 and 4 bay side by side, well really, one on top of the other, and the 4228 won on evey station. No doubt. It won't stop dropouts from happening, just less.

Yaamon, I haven't had the sanyo tuner hooked up for quite a while. I got rid of the splitter and amplifier. I use the 9200 tuner, because its easier and i can record it. Its still not the best tuner.
Lets hope the newer reciever has a better tuner in it.

The strength of the Buffalo stations never ceases to amaze me. Again tonight:
WGRZ 2-1
WGRZ 2-2 Weather
WIVB 4-1
WKBW 7-1
WNGS 7-2 (Kingston has TVOntario on 38 NTSC.)
23-1 WNLO (32 is CBC French Kingston)
43-1 WNED-HD
43-2 WNED-SD
43-3 WNED-Think bright

Analog side
17
23 (not clean)
29 (not clean)
49
51 (I think this is buffalo and not Rochester)

Rochester again is good.
8-1 WROC
10-1 WHEC
10-2 WHEC Weather
13-1 WHAM
13-2 CW-WHAM (both 13's have the mets/yankee's game different feeds)
31-1 WUHF

On analog
10
13
21 - which has killed WWTI watertown
31
40 - comes and goes - used to be a low power UPN from Victor,NY

Also seeing 42 (religion) and 36 (home shopping), not sure of the origins.

I'm also seeing most of the locals - except for what I have said has been replaced from Buffalo/Rochester

Todd

On analog
21 - which has killed WWTI watertown

This makes sence. When talking to someone at WWTI, he said amoung other things, "They [COGECO cable in Kingston] had to go to a very directional antenna as channel 21 in Rochester, New York was giving some co channel interference." This should go away after the analog shutdown as WXXI-DT (21 analog) will stay on 16 after the analog shutdown.

For some reasons the signal was strong after the storm and I was able to get a total of 20 channels as a result. I am now back to 15 channels with 4-5 HDs only. I wish we constantly have that kind of weather... LOL j/k

Looks like a couple of good days ahead for some tropo

http://www.dxinfocentrE.com/tropo_wam.html

Was a good Ottawa skip for me last night.
No Digital, but was able to see
30 -Tele-Quebec French
34 - TQS French
60 - Omni
65 - City TV

I didn't seem to be picking up 40 or 43. I never seem to do well with VHF.

Also was seeing 57 City TV last night from Toronto.

Interesting programming that time of night on both City and TQS. :rolleyes:

For an area that doesn't typically get long periods of tropo this forecast for July 9 - 13 is very promising! :)

http://www.dxinfocentre.com/tropo_wam.html

Well I am getting KCPQ 18.1 coming in strong and that only happens during the skip. Hopefully the other stations will strat to come in.

Well that only lasted two hours now it appears to be dead for me in this area well maybe later today?

Last night I finaly got a lock on UHF 48 (I had some dt reading on it since...a while) and I was not sure what it was. It is another PBS NHPTVHD 11.1 and NHPTVD1 11.2 which I get on analog on UHF 49. Signal when up to 70%. So last night I had plenty of PBS! (11.1, 11.2 18.1, 33.1, 33.2, 33.3, 57.1)

Last night also Tele Quebec was signed off and I got a dt signal on UHF 24.

here's the list for which I sometime have signal without lock.
UHF 24 ??
UHF 25 CBOT???
UHF 26 ?WTEN
UHF 39 ?
UHF 42 ??
UHF 59 ??

Maybe there will be some tropo and I will eventually lock on some of them.

Well there seems to nothing happening not even a glimer of a tropo influence oh well maybe later. Anyone out there getting any good results?
Dan